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Tildeth wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 00:59

I'm just saying that it's going to affect the number of players in the servers running the fix, hence, my distaste for it. What about that don't you understand? Evidently everything, because every time I try and make you aware of these facts you go off raging about how unethical the entire clanwars league was for jumping out of their tank at the last second LOL.

Once again, you simply don't read my posts... either that or they're too painful for you to confront. I've simply proven you were LYING THROUGH YOUR TEETH when you said you support the idea of each community choosing whether to use the pointsfix or not. That's right. LYING THROUGH YOUR TEETH.

The clanwars situation proved where you really stand about each community's individual choice: you oppose it.

The only way you can argue otherwise is by repudiating everything you've said on this subject. This means two things. 1. respect me, the rightful renadmin and league owner, in my wishes to use the pointsfix in the clanwars league. 2. condemn the despicable actions of people like simpee, clearshot, mikey, etc. who continually lied about the situation to influence opinion, who resorted to character assassination when they couldn't think of a real argument, who disregarded and subverted the wishes of the person who hosted the league for them, and who lied to the server hosts to get what they wanted because they knew honesty wouldn't work.

this ^^ is what you have to say if you want anyone to believe you support the idea of each community having a choice, pointsfix or pointsbug. if you don't repudiate your earlier position (that of clanwars) we must assume you still hold this position, which is IN DIRECT OPPOSITION to each community having its own choice.

and if you still hold this position, it means four things. 1. you place no value at all upon honesty (although we knew that anyway). 2. you have no respect for fair play, since every single person who was involved with this bullshit at clanwars has a shitty track record when it comes to fairness. 3. you have zero respect for the only person who could be bothered hosting a clan league for you - you think cheaters and pointpushers and rulebreakers ought to be able to subvert him just as long as their views on the pointsfix are similar to yours. 4. you oppose the very idea of each community's individual choice of whether to use the pointsfix.

Tildeth wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 00:59

And don't worry, I made the poll.

yes, clearly you know how badly you're losing this argument so you change the subject to something that is totally irrelevant. "YEAH WELL MOST PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THE POINTSFIX!" well even if that's true (and the evidence is against you on this) so what? if we're giving servers the choice, some will use the pointsfix, some won't, and everybody's happy, right? (the one fly in the ointment, of course, is the jelly-games sleeperhold on the game listings, which shits all over your credibility whenever you talk about "most players" and, indeed, "dictators")

but you want a headcount, do you? ok, fine. but let's count it FAIRLY, shall we?

first, let's give the pointsfix the unique control over renegade the pointsbug has had for SIX YEARS. then, let's treat anyone advocating the pointsbug with the contempt people like you have shown me, for no reason. then, let's make it so the advocates of the pointsfix use the same appalling tactics the pointsbug supporters have used, thereby shitting all over their own credibility at every turn. Then, the two positions will be equivalent, so then the poll would be fair.

can you imagine that? imagine if the situation were reversed, if the bug never existed and the points system was the one westwood actually designed. imagine if someone - you, for example - came along and advocated the points bug. imagine how the conversation would go.
tildeth: "hi, i've come up with an improvement to the points system"
spoony: "go on..."
tildeth: "you can get points for shooting stuff you don't damage!"
spoony: "why...?"
tildeth: "i don't know."
spoony: "so... will this happen against everything, then?"
tildeth: "DUHH! NO, NOT EVERYTHING! just vehicles."
spoony: "uh, why just vehicles? why not buildings and infantry too if this is the way your mind is working?"
tildeth: "i don't know. by the way, it won't happen all the time. just when the vehicles have green health."
spoony: "....why? why not when they have red/yellow health if this is what you're thinking?"
tildeth: "again, i don't know."
spoony: "this concept of yours... was that supposed to happen, do you think...? i mean, is it what westwood were thinking?"
tildeth: "no."
spoony: "will this make the economy system more strategic?"
tildeth: "no, quite the opposite actually."
spoony: "is this gonna make people better players?"
tildeth: "hell no, people will waste time shooting tanks ineffectually instead of actually doing something useful like damaging the enemy or repairing their base."
spoony: "does it make the game fairer?"
tildeth: "no, if anything it makes the game less fair. nod will have a hell of a time winning maps like field and under. it also will mean that defensive play will be rewarded over aggressive play"
spoony: "um.... maybe you think it'll be easier for new players?"
tildeth: "no, in fact it makes a simple points system a lot harder to understand."
spoony: "sorry bud, but i'm not seeing how your idea makes any sense AT ALL..."
tildeth: "me neither."
spoony: "so... in what sense is this an 'improvement'?"
(embarrassed silence)

tellsson wrote

only coz 1 mod and an old reg treated you doesnt mean that the whole jelly staff act like this. you did see that clearly as the mod got demoded.

i guess you don't read that many posts on the jelly forum, huh? i wasn't talking about joetorp. i get treated with more contempt than most cheaters, despite the fact i've done absolutely nothing wrong, and in fact have gone to great lengths to stick up for the interests of people who don't like the pointsfix, no matter how appallingly they treat me.

and i'm not talking about just a couple of people. i'm talking about the MAJORITY of the moderators and the MAJORITY of the admins.

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