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From the C&C RTS games: Gameplay-wise my favourite was RA2, story-wise my favourite was Tiberian Sun. Though I think Emperor: Battle for Dune was one of the best C&C-type RTS games out there in gameplay.
And yes the simplicity of the older games was an attractive feature. I think Generals, C&C3, and RA3 had too many units and commander powers in general; a lot that players didn't ever use.
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| Re: Why do people hate EA? [message #414302 is a reply to message #414162] |
Thu, 17 December 2009 08:47 |
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C&C3 was still kinda simple, tbh. Kane's Wrath introduced a lot of the things that make it too complex for casual players.
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| Re: Why do people hate EA? [message #414314 is a reply to message #414302] |
Thu, 17 December 2009 11:54 |
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| Goztow wrote on Thu, 17 December 2009 09:47 |
C&C3 was still kinda simple, tbh. Kane's Wrath introduced a lot of the things that make it too complex for casual players.
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I dunno. I felt they added too much shit. It was simple to actually win, but there was more unnecessary units than RA1 (Which I felt had the most out of any C&C game prior to C&C3...).
Still though, RA3 was actually kinda nice (haven't quite played it, but yeah). It's a shame they didn't pull it off quite right (over the top FMV's, not giving the expansion multiplayer, etc). And that they abandoned it quickly as they do any other product they make...
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| Re: Why do people hate EA? [message #414387 is a reply to message #414306] |
Thu, 17 December 2009 21:10 |
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| Terminator 101 wrote on Thu, 17 December 2009 13:08 |
They destroyed Westwood mostly because Renegade did not sell like crack.
They support most of their games for about a year and then abandom those games completely
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EA bought out WS before Renegade came out. It was originally scheduled to release sooner, but many things were redone. Thus why a game with 1998 graphics was released in 2002. Other things like the C&C MMO, continuum, were canceled too.
People hate EA because they WILL NOT, under any circumstances, publish anything original. A good example of this is the new MoH coming out next year with a modern warfare spin on it, they're only trying this to hump the success of the CoD series. They put the C&C logo and terrible games because they know it'll help them sell. There's been 0 original titles to come out of EA in the last decade, and that's why they're junk.
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| Re: Why do people hate EA? [message #414397 is a reply to message #414387] |
Thu, 17 December 2009 23:58 |
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| Renx wrote on Thu, 17 December 2009 23:10 |
| Terminator 101 wrote on Thu, 17 December 2009 13:08 |
They destroyed Westwood mostly because Renegade did not sell like crack.
They support most of their games for about a year and then abandom those games completely
Enough said.
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EA bought out WS before Renegade came out. It was originally scheduled to release sooner, but many things were redone. Thus why a game with 1998 graphics was released in 2002. Other things like the C&C MMO, continuum, were canceled too.
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Yeah, EA had bought Westwood back before Tiberian Sun.
The older builds of Renegade actually had some details that the current game does not. Building interiors were a lot more exotic, drivers were visible in their vehicles, there were various gun emplacements, and there were animations for getting in and out of vehicles.
The current game was also released in a rush. Most of the planned game modes did not make it into the game, and you can tell that some aspects of multiplayer and the last few missions of singleplayer were rushed according to Louis Castle.
Although Renegade could have been out by 2000, I think even 2002 was too early for the game. By the time it was released, most people were still using 56k internet (I know I was), which is terrible for a game of Renegade. Not to mention the fact that people are only able to host 4-8 player servers on their computers. Indeed the game was ahead of its time in many ways.
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| Re: Why do people hate EA? [message #414400 is a reply to message #414314] |
Fri, 18 December 2009 00:42 |
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| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Thu, 17 December 2009 19:54 |
| Goztow wrote on Thu, 17 December 2009 09:47 |
C&C3 was still kinda simple, tbh. Kane's Wrath introduced a lot of the things that make it too complex for casual players.
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I dunno. I felt they added too much shit. It was simple to actually win, but there was more unnecessary units than RA1 (Which I felt had the most out of any C&C game prior to C&C3...).
Still though, RA3 was actually kinda nice (haven't quite played it, but yeah). It's a shame they didn't pull it off quite right (over the top FMV's, not giving the expansion multiplayer, etc). And that they abandoned it quickly as they do any other product they make...
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While it has more units and content than RA1, it also has a much more convenient user interface. With RA1 you didn't have waiting lines, you had to scroll down the sidebar for several pages sometimes, etc. C&C3 was actually made for new players: there's a LOT of beginner's info in the game (like unit descriptions, shortcut keys, ...) that you didn't have in previous games.
I think that the Renegade that WW had in mind was too big for them at that time. They had been developping it for what, a couple of years already? No way they were going to have the cash flow to continue developing for another few years. They had to release something. If it had been a straight hit, then an expansion pack would surely have been created to add all things that were planned.
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| Re: Why do people hate EA? [message #414441 is a reply to message #414162] |
Fri, 18 December 2009 11:23 |
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...becuase there jealous egotistical bastards who saw a good franchise with great games... decided they had to have it and bought it out. Then tried to continue the run .. while firing the employees who actually made C&C.. C&C.. then threw the EA side of gamming onto C&C and made the new series that suck ass.
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