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Re: SBH, why everyone hates them [message #383519 is a reply to message #383290] Wed, 29 April 2009 18:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Two correct ways to use a SBH:

1: Your team has only one SBH in play. You should safely be able to increase the amount of SBHs if you follow a ratio such as 1 SBH per 6-7 players.

2: You use your SBH as if he wasn't invisible. (Or at least use the invisibility to your advantage and then attack, instead of hiding the entire time)


Also, I thought of another reason to hate SBHs, because of the people who ridicule the rest of the team because they lost a structure, when in reality they were just standing around hiding as a SBH.
Re: SBH, why everyone hates them [message #383591 is a reply to message #383290] Thu, 30 April 2009 01:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Not forgetting the ones who immediatly go into hiding because the HON was killed, scream and curse at the team for losing the HON while they were standing watching, avoiding getting involved lest they lose a hitpoint.

They then proceed to spend the rest of the time hiding so they don't get killed, claiming to be helping the team by making sure they still have some decent infantry, neglecting to realise that any infantry is useless if they are cowering in a corner avoiding any action.


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Re: SBH, why everyone hates them [message #383676 is a reply to message #383290] Thu, 30 April 2009 08:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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both have full hp
sbh can fight shotgun soldier in close combat?


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Re: SBH, why everyone hates them [message #383697 is a reply to message #383290] Thu, 30 April 2009 12:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Unskilled players with too much money often think they're a one man army and try to SBH nuke GDI's buildings, failing multiple times and giving GDI a massive amount of points.
Re: SBH, why everyone hates them [message #383738 is a reply to message #383290] Thu, 30 April 2009 19:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I guess it kind of balances itself out. I remember when Renegade had first come out, people complained that Nod had a stealth infantry and that Gunner did not balance with that. Little did they know that most people who would use the SBH in the future are just wasted space.

I remember me and Havoc89 were playing with SBHs a few weeks ago, and we had actually taken out countless Medium Tanks, MRLS', and Mammoth Tanks with just the two of us. I said to him, now just imagine if the SBHs that just stand around and do nothing actually fired at tanks. Anything would be better than what they do now.


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Re: SBH, why everyone hates them [message #383784 is a reply to message #383290] Fri, 01 May 2009 05:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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i love the sbh that stands around watching you die just so they can have your gun Angry

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Re: SBH, why everyone hates them [message #383786 is a reply to message #383784] Fri, 01 May 2009 06:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Darkknight wrote on Fri, 01 May 2009 15:38

i love the sbh that stands around watching you die just so they can have your gun Angry

most of the time, he waits for u to damage him enuff then shoot, or just take his fire opon you. Where i play(ed)
Re: SBH, why everyone hates them [message #383805 is a reply to message #383786] Fri, 01 May 2009 08:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ErroR wrote on Fri, 01 May 2009 14:07

Darkknight wrote on Fri, 01 May 2009 15:38

i love the sbh that stands around watching you die just so they can have your gun Angry

most of the time, he waits for u to damage him enuff then shoot, or just take his fire opon you. Where i play(ed)



i think the person you quoted meant the SBH waited for a team mate to die instead of helping so the SBH could have his gun.


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Re: SBH, why everyone hates them [message #383806 is a reply to message #383290] Fri, 01 May 2009 08:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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i mean the sbh waits
Re: SBH, why everyone hates them [message #383835 is a reply to message #383676] Fri, 01 May 2009 14:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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DAUGHTER DIVER wrote on Thu, 30 April 2009 16:42

both have full hp
sbh can fight shotgun soldier in close combat?


5 hs and shotty dead. Wait for shotty to straight line and you get 4 hs instantly then you have to hit shotty 4 times... its not hard


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Re: SBH, why everyone hates them [message #383841 is a reply to message #383835] Fri, 01 May 2009 14:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Nune wrote on Fri, 01 May 2009 16:13

DAUGHTER DIVER wrote on Thu, 30 April 2009 16:42

both have full hp
sbh can fight shotgun soldier in close combat?


5 hs and shotty dead. Wait for shotty to straight line and you get 4 hs instantly then you have to hit shotty 4 times... its not hard


And then you get to pick up the shotgun. SBH's with shotguns are incredibly deadly.


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Re: SBH, why everyone hates them [message #383867 is a reply to message #383841] Fri, 01 May 2009 21:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Kix wrote on Fri, 01 May 2009 16:27

Nune wrote on Fri, 01 May 2009 16:13

DAUGHTER DIVER wrote on Thu, 30 April 2009 16:42

both have full hp
sbh can fight shotgun soldier in close combat?


5 hs and shotty dead. Wait for shotty to straight line and you get 4 hs instantly then you have to hit shotty 4 times... its not hard


And then you get to pick up the shotgun. SBH's with shotguns are incredibly deadly.

soldier never see sbh?


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Re: SBH, why everyone hates them [message #383888 is a reply to message #383867] Sat, 02 May 2009 00:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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DAUGHTER DIVER wrote on Fri, 01 May 2009 21:07

Kix wrote on Fri, 01 May 2009 16:27

Nune wrote on Fri, 01 May 2009 16:13

DAUGHTER DIVER wrote on Thu, 30 April 2009 16:42

both have full hp
sbh can fight shotgun soldier in close combat?


5 hs and shotty dead. Wait for shotty to straight line and you get 4 hs instantly then you have to hit shotty 4 times... its not hard


And then you get to pick up the shotgun. SBH's with shotguns are incredibly deadly.

soldier never see sbh?


Well, not to point out the obvious, but that's the main selling point behind the Stealth Black Hand -- It's stealth.


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Re: SBH, why everyone hates them [message #383892 is a reply to message #383290] Sat, 02 May 2009 01:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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With the average pings people have + reaction time means that you'll get 4 shots off before the shotgunner even notices anything.

I'd rather use my pistol as then the enemy reaction time is slightly higher + headshots do more damage.

Of course, that really only works when the enemy is stupid and just runs in a straight line when he feels he's "safe".


Re: SBH, why everyone hates them [message #383896 is a reply to message #383888] Sat, 02 May 2009 01:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dover wrote on Sat, 02 May 2009 02:42

DAUGHTER DIVER wrote on Fri, 01 May 2009 21:07

Kix wrote on Fri, 01 May 2009 16:27

Nune wrote on Fri, 01 May 2009 16:13

DAUGHTER DIVER wrote on Thu, 30 April 2009 16:42

both have full hp
sbh can fight shotgun soldier in close combat?


5 hs and shotty dead. Wait for shotty to straight line and you get 4 hs instantly then you have to hit shotty 4 times... its not hard


And then you get to pick up the shotgun. SBH's with shotguns are incredibly deadly.

soldier never see sbh?


Well, not to point out the obvious, but that's the main selling point behind the Stealth Black Hand -- It's stealth.

i understand but i think if sbh have ramjet it will deadly more than shotgun


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Re: SBH, why everyone hates them [message #383907 is a reply to message #383290] Sat, 02 May 2009 03:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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if sbh has ramjet, then it sucks, one shot and all of the ppl who saw the shot start shooting him, 500 sniper rifle ftw. Anyway shbs and stanks are actually easy to see, besides under, cuz it's white
Re: SBH, why everyone hates them [message #383917 is a reply to message #383290] Sat, 02 May 2009 05:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The SBH is pretty much like the Spy in Team Fortress 2. They're great, but holy shit alot of people use them wrong. On top of this, the entire team being them does NOT help. Just because you can stealth doesn't mean you're 100 invisible.

As said, 1 or 2 per team is all you should have. In SOME cases it can be appropriate to have 3 or 4 (Nuke SBH rush), but it's not too often this happens.

Still, they ARE a great unit, they just have a bad reputation because they get used badly by alot of people.


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(NE)Fobby(GEN) wrote on Thu, 30 April 2009 21:17

I guess it kind of balances itself out. I remember when Renegade had first come out, people complained that Nod had a stealth infantry and that Gunner did not balance with that. Little did they know that most people who would use the SBH in the future are just wasted space.

I remember me and Havoc89 were playing with SBHs a few weeks ago, and we had actually taken out countless Medium Tanks, MRLS', and Mammoth Tanks with just the two of us. I said to him, now just imagine if the SBHs that just stand around and do nothing actually fired at tanks. Anything would be better than what they do now.


I remember around two years ago there were a lot of players who would buy SBH and hunt in packs on maps like City_Flying. I rarely see that being done today.


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Re: SBH, why everyone hates them [message #383927 is a reply to message #383907] Sat, 02 May 2009 06:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ErroR wrote on Sat, 02 May 2009 05:46

if sbh has ramjet, then it sucks, one shot and all of the ppl who saw the shot start shooting him, 500 sniper rifle ftw. Anyway shbs and stanks are actually easy to see, besides under, cuz it's white

ramjet it not 1000 sniper?


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ramjet is 1000 sniper, 1 shot and everyone turns to the direction where are you. But 500 sniper is stelthier harder to find where the shot was fired from
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They call the Ramjet the 1k Sniper Rifle, because the characters which are buyable with them, cost 1000 credits.

The 500 Sniper Rifle refers to the Deadeye / Black Hand Sniper, which cost 500 credits.
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DutchNeon wrote on Sat, 02 May 2009 17:27

They call the Ramjet the 1k Sniper Rifle, because the characters which are buyable with them, cost 1000 credits.

The 500 Sniper Rifle refers to the Deadeye / Black Hand Sniper, which cost 500 credits.

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ErroR wrote on Sat, 02 May 2009 08:42

ramjet is 1000 sniper, 1 shot and everyone turns to the direction where are you. But 500 sniper is stelthier harder to find where the shot was fired from

after you use ramjet wait a minute stealth will work again no one can see you now


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Yeah...but you need to change positions, because people will be watching the area where the huge blue beam came from. Even the railgun is more discrete than the ramjet. Come to think of it, I'd rather have SBH+Railgun than SBH+Ramjet.

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Dover wrote on Sun, 03 May 2009 10:51

Yeah...but you need to change positions, because people will be watching the area where the huge blue beam came from. Even the railgun is more discrete than the ramjet. Come to think of it, I'd rather have SBH+Railgun than SBH+Ramjet.

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