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Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337376 is a reply to message #337337] Wed, 25 June 2008 03:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 24 June 2008 21:32

I really don't understand this issue very much.

Would someone care to explain WHY SHOULD WE CARE how much involvement we played, as humans, in global warming?

Does it really make a difference knowing who started it and who continued it and who lead it to where?

The way I see it is that someway or another the global temperature is rising and something should or shouldn't be done about it. Why should we spend so much time pondering who started it? If we think it is a problem, we should try and do something to fix it. If not, we should just leave it alone... end of story.

There have been global temperature increases and decreases hundreds of thousands of times in the history of this planet, so I really do not see what the big deal is..

Because another ice age will kill MILLIONS of people when it occurs, would you not save a million lives by not...using fossil fuels?


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Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337384 is a reply to message #337337] Wed, 25 June 2008 05:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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R315r4z0r

There have been global temperature increases and decreases hundreds of thousands of times in the history of this planet, so I really do not see what the big deal is..

The big deal is, if it's our fault, then we have idiot environmentalnuts crying for the government to waste billions of dollars in funding to save our poor planet that has destroyed itself time and time again, yet still seems to survive.

Do you environmentalnuts even remember how the dinosaurs died off? It wasn't simply the impact of a meteorite that killed off everything. It was the resulting frying of our atmosphere and the shit after it that created the extinction. If our earth can come back and support abundant life after that, us humans are looking like a bunch of pussies that can only HELP to raise the temperature 2-3 degrees.


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Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337387 is a reply to message #337384] Wed, 25 June 2008 05:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Neither of you answered my question.

I asked why should we care WHO STARTED IT. Not if it is something we should be worrying about.

All this time we are wasting arguing if humans started the problem or if humans continued the problem or if humans had little impact on the problem.

No matter who was involved in what, the end result is the same no matter how we look at it, so why should we bother arguing about it? If global warming is such a big deal then lets deal with the task at hand instead of this pointless bickering about who started it.

Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337388 is a reply to message #337251] Wed, 25 June 2008 05:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Because environmentalnuts think that if we somehow started it or contributed to it, there has to be a way for us to, either, (a) stop adding to the problem, or (b) completely be able to fix the problem we created.

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Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337392 is a reply to message #337388] Wed, 25 June 2008 06:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well environmentalists are a bunch of stuck up morons who don't know how to do research on the planet's history. Huh

Do they, like, not believe in ice ages or something?
Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337398 is a reply to message #337251] Wed, 25 June 2008 06:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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They believe that we're forcing an ice age to be upon us, and as a result, people will die. Unfortunately, they don't realize that it wouldn't be like the movie "Day After Tomorrow". We'd have time to prepare as temperatures plummet.

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Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337487 is a reply to message #337251] Wed, 25 June 2008 16:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I guess modding video games has rotted his mind L!OL. Ok g33k, other than the fact you have proven my point further, its funny to watch you say, "NOES!!! 30,O0O SIGNED TEH PAP3R!!!1one!", um, you do realize there are not only 30,000 people with phd's etc out there? That is a very small % then of people who disagree with it, compare that to the UNIVERSIAL ACCEPTANCE BY THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY (<-read that ok?), that it is happening. Now watch, you are going to continue this argument even after being proven wrong, and you will pretend that modding an fps gaming into an rpg mod (LOL), has some how magically given you higher intelligence than them...Awaiting your lols In Love

Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337490 is a reply to message #337487] Wed, 25 June 2008 16:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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trooprm02 wrote on Wed, 25 June 2008 19:00

I guess modding video games has rotted his mind L!OL. Ok g33k, other than the fact you have proven my point further, its funny to watch you say, "NOES!!! 30,O0O SIGNED TEH PAP3R!!!1one!", um, you do realize there are not only 30,000 people with phd's etc out there? That is a very small % then of people who disagree with it, compare that to the UNIVERSIAL ACCEPTANCE BY THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY (<-read that ok?), that it is happening. Now watch, you are going to continue this argument even after being proven wrong, and you will pretend that modding an fps gaming into an rpg mod (LOL), has some how magically given you higher intelligence than them...Awaiting your lols In Love

There are so many things wrong with this post...
1. I fail to see how modding video games has "rotted my mind".

2. 30,000 people isn't NOTHING, I'd say it's a BIG something. And just because other people haven't signed it doesn't mean they're not in support of it.

3. My turn for big letters. STOP PULLING "FACTS" OUT OF YOUR ASS! You keep posting these "facts" about global warming, ex: that it's much much much warmer, that global warming is "unversally accepted" by the scientific community, etc., but you never give a source to your "facts." My knowledge of the subject from my own research leads me to believe that you've barely touched on the subject and are just spouting things you might have heard from biased sources like the news, or Al Gore. Me proven wrong? Hardly...

4. You're damn straight I'm gonna continue the arguement against some misinformed, incompitent, smart-ass, egotistical prick, especially when you continue to put words in my mouth about how supposedly my involvement with Roleplay2 somehow gives me higher intelligence.

Awaiting you sucking my dick. If not, GTFO MY THREAD.


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Canadacdn wrote on Wed, 02 July 2008 15:52

If you don't want EA to get any credit, destroy their Refinery. Duh.

Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337492 is a reply to message #337251] Wed, 25 June 2008 17:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Troop, you're trying to prove that global warming exists as a man made disaster. Thus, you're trying to prove the positive. The burden of proof is on the one trying to prove the positive. Let's see actual facts.

whoa.
Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337499 is a reply to message #337251] Wed, 25 June 2008 17:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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SHITS GONNA GET REEEEL NASTY

Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337501 is a reply to message #337251] Wed, 25 June 2008 17:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dammit, I want a fucking Orange grove in my back yard!

The government issued our 'carbon neutral' tax rebates today, and I'm seriously considering buying a mid-1960's Pontiac Bonneville to celebrate!


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Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337505 is a reply to message #337251] Wed, 25 June 2008 19:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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A question.

If all the pollutants that go in the air work in trapping sunrays in the earth longer and raise temperature. Can't the pollutants also work like a second ozone layer and also reflect more away? Can anyone tell me if this it works like this?


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Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337506 is a reply to message #337505] Wed, 25 June 2008 19:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Think of it like a blanket. How come when you are under a blanket you get warmer instead of the outside heat bouncing off?

The heat made inside of it, stays inside of it. The Sun just further heats it up more than it is already. So no, pollution is not a substitute for an Ozone layer.

@ Troop:
I'm sort of confused by your argument. I don't understand what you are trying to say... are you for humans causing global warming or are you for global warming being a natural occurrence on Earth? It's kind of hard to tell being that you never stated:
-Who you are arguing against
-What your point is
-What facts you have to prove your argument, if you have one.

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Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337509 is a reply to message #337251] Wed, 25 June 2008 21:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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can you go over the science of it

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Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337511 is a reply to message #337251] Wed, 25 June 2008 21:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The basic answer is:

The ozone layer is comprised of the compound ozone (O3). Ozone reflects most of the sun's high intensity ultraviolet light, which is damaging to life. Greenhouse gases (water vapor, carbon dioxide, methane, etc, partially produced from pollution sources) don't reflect any of the sun's light, therefore does not act as a second ozone layer. They merely trap in some of the heat in the earth's atmosphere.

I should also add that greenhouse gases are necessary for survival on earth. Without them, temperatures would be entirely too cold. However excessive amounts of greenhouse gases do lead to higher temperatures on earth.

I will also add that natural sources produce 20 times the amount of greenhouse gases as humans.


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Canadacdn wrote on Wed, 02 July 2008 15:52

If you don't want EA to get any credit, destroy their Refinery. Duh.

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Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337515 is a reply to message #337499] Wed, 25 June 2008 23:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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trooprm02 wrote on Wed, 25 June 2008 19:49

SHITS GONNA GET REEEEL NASTY


@r34z54564, this basically sums up my point of view real nais like.


Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337521 is a reply to message #337499] Thu, 26 June 2008 00:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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cheesesoda wrote on Wed, 25 June 2008 19:00

Troop, you're trying to prove that global warming exists as a man made disaster. Thus, you're trying to prove the positive. The burden of proof is on the one trying to prove the positive. Let's see actual facts.


trooprm02 wrote on Wed, 25 June 2008 19:49

SHITS GONNA GET REEEEL NASTY



gj troopm02.
Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337548 is a reply to message #337511] Thu, 26 June 2008 08:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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SlikRik wrote on Wed, 25 June 2008 23:45

The basic answer is:

The ozone layer is comprised of the compound ozone (O3). Ozone reflects most of the sun's high intensity ultraviolet light, which is damaging to life. Greenhouse gases (water vapor, carbon dioxide, methane, etc, partially produced from pollution sources) don't reflect any of the sun's light, therefore does not act as a second ozone layer. They merely trap in some of the heat in the earth's atmosphere.

I should also add that greenhouse gases are necessary for survival on earth. Without them, temperatures would be entirely too cold. However excessive amounts of greenhouse gases do lead to higher temperatures on earth.

I will also add that natural sources produce 20 times the amount of greenhouse gases as humans.


I love it how people ignore the last part of your post no matter who says it.
EDIT: typo


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Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337594 is a reply to message #337251] Thu, 26 June 2008 14:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I suggest watching the movie 'The day after tomarrow', It seems very true to happen tbh.

But anyway, Global Warming is prob there even if it is just a temperature change of movement, Either way, It can fuck something up badly and anything living on Earth will pay.


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Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337596 is a reply to message #337251] Thu, 26 June 2008 14:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes, let's base our opinions and fears off of a fictional movie that, truthfully, wasn't even that good.

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Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337597 is a reply to message #337251] Thu, 26 June 2008 14:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Nothing close to "The Day After Tomorrow" would ever occur unless some cataclysmic event took place severely offsetting the earth's natural weather balance. Nothing humans could do would ever produce such an event (cept maybe blowing up the earth with a 100+ megaton nuclear bomb).

No one's denying that global warming exists (and if you are you're an idiot), but it is and has been for millions of years a natural process. The debate is how much humans have to play in the current trend of warming.

cheesesoda

...a movie that, truthfully, wasn't even that good.

Agreed, not the best movie I've ever started watching and not finished due to complete lack of interest.


Personally, if the ice caps did melt, my house would be in prime position to have a nice tropical ocean-front property. Thumbs Up


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Canadacdn wrote on Wed, 02 July 2008 15:52

If you don't want EA to get any credit, destroy their Refinery. Duh.

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Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337601 is a reply to message #337251] Thu, 26 June 2008 15:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Troop...I agree with some of your opinion, but cut the Ad hominem k?

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Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337609 is a reply to message #337384] Thu, 26 June 2008 15:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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cheesesoda wrote on Wed, 25 June 2008 07:44

Do you environmentalnuts even remember how the dinosaurs died off? It wasn't simply the impact of a meteorite that killed off everything. It was the resulting frying of our atmosphere and the shit after it that created the extinction.


Nobody knows how the dinosaurs died off.


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Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337615 is a reply to message #337251] Thu, 26 June 2008 16:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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At least, highly speculated.

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Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337629 is a reply to message #337615] Thu, 26 June 2008 19:07 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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cheesesoda wrote on Thu, 26 June 2008 18:33

At least, highly speculated.


And that makes it the truth.


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