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I'd like to be able to tweak the costs of some of the Renegade units, but this only needs doing on the stock maps. Would it be feasible to make copies of the stock maps which are otherwise identical to the originals but with a few unit prices tweaked?
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| Re: Cheaper units on the stock maps [message #461378 is a reply to message #461372] |
Sat, 07 January 2012 20:03  |
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Yes, it's also possible to change the ammo on all units to infinite in a way that works with 4.0, and all the core settings of objects in the game can be modified. New objects (vehicles/soldiers /weapons/sounds/models/textures) can be added too.
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| Re: Cheaper units on the stock maps [message #461381 is a reply to message #461372] |
Sat, 07 January 2012 20:40 |
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We've got the infinite infantry ammo working, thanks to your plugin.
What would be the best way to alter the unit costs?
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| Re: Cheaper units on the stock maps [message #461382 is a reply to message #461372] |
Sat, 07 January 2012 21:02 |
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The infinite ammo plugin itself works correctly, but when loaded on a scripts 4.0 beta 3 server, it won't work. To confirm, buy a shotgunner and check your ammo, it should be finite.
Changing cost is really simple to do, but after doing that you need to compile a new map which is a bit more complicated and could have some issues. I highly suggest finding someone with basic Renegade mapping (or just LevelEdit) skills to do it. But if you want to have someone without any experiences to Renegade mapping do it:
1. Download the Renegade .lvl files from game-maps.net or another mirror.
2. Open the map's .lvl file.
3. Create a new project in the box that pop ups if needed.
http://i.imgur.com/QIQCR.png
4. Check the above screenshot. On the right-side of the LevelEdit GUI, you need to edit 'Character Classes', 'Vehicles', 'Equipment' for both teams, listed under the 'Purchase Settings' folder.
5. Left click on the setting you want to edit and press the 'Temp' button with the green + sign on it.
6. In the box that pops up, set 'Name:' to the same name as what you're editing and open the 'Settings' tab.
7. Edit the costs for all the settings you like.
8. Repeat until your done.
9. Click on File -> Save Presets...
10. Click on File -> Export .Mix and type in a name for the map.
There's four main problems that may occur:
1. Game will crash during loading / No terrain is loaded.
2. Harvesters won't do anything and vehicles don't follow the waypath off the Strip and you will lag thru doors.
3. The FPS is a lot lower than the stock map you're modding (when vsync is turned off).
4. Shadows are incorrect.
All these problems are easy to resolve but they don't always appear, it's best to test out without using the methods to resolve them before testing the map and applying them IF they appear during testing.
After you've done that, save the level, it should create a .ddb (NOT objects.ddb) file in the folder you saved to with the same name as the map, it contains the cost changes and it's easy to apply to other maps without having to manually edit the cost settings for every map. To apply the change to other maps, simply open the .lvl file for the other map, save the level and close LevelEdit, than rename that .ddb file to <map_name>.ddb and place it in the same folder you've saved to. Then open LevelEdit again and it should have applied the cost changes automatically (you should check this anyway), then convert that map to .Mix again and do it for every map.
Also, the modded map will share the same terrain filename with the non-modded map, this could possible clash with the anti-cheat. To check that enable the anti-cheat on a 4.0 server, and load the non-modded version of the map, it should load correctly, then load the modded version of the map, if no anti-cheat admin messages are given after loading the modded version of the map there's no issue with the anti-cheat.
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| Re: Cheaper units on the stock maps [message #461383 is a reply to message #461372] |
Sat, 07 January 2012 21:16 |
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about your ammo plugin, just refill after buying the character = ammo goes infinite. it's fine as long as you remember to do that.
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| Re: Cheaper units on the stock maps [message #461385 is a reply to message #461372] |
Sat, 07 January 2012 21:29 |
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I can make a modified version of that plugin that automatically refills a player if they successfully purchased something. There's still the issue with ammo being royally screwed up for non-4.0 players but as you won't be supporting them that doesn't matter.
Scripts 4.0 has a feature to take remote screenshots of players with a simple console command and have them be uploaded to a website, will clanwars be using that? (Taking screenshots can be easily automated with an SSGM plugin, e.g. screenshots per interval or when a player types a command, with some rudimentary PHP scripting the screenshots can be datestamped on a site).
To work around the loading time issue, a plugin can be written that requires every player to type in something like "!ready" at the start of every match, after that's done it would kill the harvesters, kill all players and resetting the whole match (death count, score, game timer, credits etc).
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| Re: Cheaper units on the stock maps [message #461387 is a reply to message #461385] |
Sat, 07 January 2012 22:09 |
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| iRANian wrote on Sat, 07 January 2012 21:29 |
I can make a modified version of that plugin that automatically refills a player if they successfully purchased something. There's still the issue with ammo being royally screwed up for non-4.0 players but as you won't be supporting them that doesn't matter.
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yeah, that would be great.
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Scripts 4.0 has a feature to take remote screenshots of players with a simple console command and have them be uploaded to a website, will clanwars be using that? (Taking screenshots can be easily automated with an SSGM plugin, e.g. screenshots per interval or when a player types a command, with some rudimentary PHP scripting the screenshots can be datestamped on a site).
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yes, actually that'd be enormously useful for clanwars.
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To work around the loading time issue, a plugin can be written that requires every player to type in something like "!ready" at the start of every match, after that's done it would kill the harvesters, kill all players and resetting the whole match (death count, score, game timer, credits etc).
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yeah, but that would require the enemy to do it too, and i'm not sure everyone can be counted upon to do that
how about the following instead:
when you join the server you can (if you want to) type "!wait" which puts you on the wait list. you stay on the wait list until you leave the server. and at the beginning of each map, gameplay (including harvs) is frozen until all players on the wait list have loaded.
the other option is simply to freeze gameplay for 30 seconds at the start of each map. (preferably with the server playing Trololo)
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| Re: Cheaper units on the stock maps [message #461394 is a reply to message #461372] |
Sun, 08 January 2012 08:01 |
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All the big Counter-Strike (Source) league use the method of everyone having to type that they're ready (and then resetting the match), I could make it freeze all players until everyone types !ready. The problem with !wait is that checking if everyone is loaded can be inaccurate so the game might start when not everyone is loaded, there are also times where the FDS doesn't properly detect if a player is loaded or not (e.g. the bug where in game when you press the 'J' key the unit name of a player is blank).
Freezing gameplay can also be done at the start of the map by freezing all players, then after the 30 seconds are up resetting the game like would have been done with the !ready stuff. But if a player for some reason isn't ready to play the match yet he'll be unlucky.
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| Re: Cheaper units on the stock maps [message #461395 is a reply to message #461394] |
Sun, 08 January 2012 09:04 |
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| iRANian wrote on Sun, 08 January 2012 08:01 |
I could make it freeze all players until everyone types !ready.
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Yeah, that's a much better idea. I reckon we should do that. It'll freeze the harvesters too, I hope?
Can we also have a maximum freeze-time - let's say 2 minutes? after which gameplay begins regardless.
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| Re: Cheaper units on the stock maps [message #461396 is a reply to message #461372] |
Sun, 08 January 2012 09:13 |
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Freezing the Harvester is possible too, but I'd rather have them be destroyed when the match gets reset, so it would emulate the start of a match (credits always get reset so there's no issue with that).
Okay, lemme get that working.
Here's a modified version of the infinite ammo plugin, I couldn't get the infinite ammo to work with the scripts.dll API commands to refill a player, but I was able to make it work by setting the ammo count of the weapon the player is holding to infinite manually 100 milliseconds after he purchased something, with checks to prevent C4 and beacons from getting infinite ammo.
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| Re: Cheaper units on the stock maps [message #461401 is a reply to message #461372] |
Sun, 08 January 2012 09:41 |
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re: harvs being blown up, yeah that would be fine.
thanks for all this.
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| Re: Cheaper units on the stock maps [message #461405 is a reply to message #461401] |
Sun, 08 January 2012 10:44 |
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warm up is better then !ready, nobody will type !ready, because tbh.. i bet many new ren players don't even know how to use chat 
Warm up is used in many FPS games like Unreal, Quake, Day Of Defeat and other.
block any type of damage till game will start and kill all players/all/reset like a new game start and enable damage when warm up is off. should be simple, i will script this on my Lua bot to see 
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| Re: Cheaper units on the stock maps [message #461406 is a reply to message #461372] |
Sun, 08 January 2012 10:55 |
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i think the !ready idea is best. it's just a question of holding gameplay off (including the harvesters) until all players have loaded.
does anyone fancy doing the altered costs for me?
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| Re: Cheaper units on the stock maps [message #461414 is a reply to message #461372] |
Sun, 08 January 2012 13:11 |
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What cost changes do you want and on what maps?
For the remote screenshot plugin, what do you want it to do? I'm gonna guess upload remote screenshots of all players every X seconds and when a player types a a specific command? Note that I can't test this plugin (although it's really straightforward to write) because I don't own a web server.
Here's the match resetting plugin, it will automatically reset the match after 120 second have expired and it will announce the time remaining until the automatic resetting. After every player has typed !ready it will reset the match, if it happens before the auto-reset. Players can't move until the match has reset. Once the match is reset every player and harvester will get killed, and every player's deaths/kills/score/credits will be set to zero. The map timer will also reset.
I'm looking for a more descriptive name than "Match Reset Plugin". Any suggestions? Tell me if you want to have anything changed.
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| Re: Cheaper units on the stock maps [message #461416 is a reply to message #461414] |
Sun, 08 January 2012 13:32 |
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| iRANian wrote on Sun, 08 January 2012 13:11 |
What cost changes do you want and on what maps?
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maps that will be used in clanwars:
Field, City Flying, Walls Flying, Islands, Canyon, Complex, Volcano, Mesa, Under, Walls.
essentially all the stock maps except cityground, hourglass, and glacierfly.
prices (same for all maps)
GDI/Nod Officer: 50
Tib Sydney: 50
Rocket Officer: 150
Patch: 200
Laser Chaingunner: 250
Deadeye/Black Hand sniper: 400
Mobius/Mendoza: 600
Raveshaw/PIC: 800
Havoc/Sakura: 800
unchanged: gunner, chem warrior, sbh, hotwire/tech.
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For the remote screenshot plugin, what do you want it to do? I'm gonna guess upload remote screenshots of all players every X seconds and when a player types a a specific command?
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well... is an upload likely to have any detrimental effect on the subject player's FPS or ping? i guess we can test that.
i'm just finding out how much space i've got for screenshots at clanwars.
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Here's the match resetting plugin, it will automatically reset the match after 120 second have expired and it will announce the time remaining until the automatic resetting. After every player has typed !ready it will reset the match, if it happens before the auto-reset. Players can't move until the map has reset. Once the map is reset every player and harvester will get killed, and every player's deaths/kills/score/credits will be set to zero. The map timer will also reset.
I'm looking for a more descriptive name than "Match Reset Plugin". Any suggestions? Tell me if you want to have anything changed.
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that's great, thanks. as for the name... "Starter Pistol plugin"?
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| Re: Cheaper units on the stock maps [message #461428 is a reply to message #461418] |
Sun, 08 January 2012 14:27 |
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i hope those changes price changes won't be forced on TT like that negative points on neutral.
screenshoot thing makes lag like hell when upload bandwidth is small
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| Re: Cheaper units on the stock maps [message #461430 is a reply to message #461372] |
Sun, 08 January 2012 15:11 |
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Here's the remote screenshot plugin. You can configure the interval at which remote screenshots are made (default every 60 seconds). If a player types !ss remote screenshots are made for every player. Installation instructions are inside the ZIP file.
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| Re: Cheaper units on the stock maps [message #461432 is a reply to message #461431] |
Sun, 08 January 2012 15:22 |
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thanks again.
| bmruze wrote on Sun, 08 January 2012 15:15 |
In theory, can't you make a simple script that checks on the character you are purchasing and gives you a refund of (x) credits after that purchase is made? It would probably be easier than trying to reduce the cost of the characters in some other fashion.
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presumably, that would still mean you couldn't buy the unit until you had enough money for its default cost.
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| Re: Cheaper units on the stock maps [message #461434 is a reply to message #461432] |
Sun, 08 January 2012 15:58 |
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| Spoony wrote on Sun, 08 January 2012 15:22 |
thanks again.
| bmruze wrote on Sun, 08 January 2012 15:15 |
In theory, can't you make a simple script that checks on the character you are purchasing and gives you a refund of (x) credits after that purchase is made? It would probably be easier than trying to reduce the cost of the characters in some other fashion.
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presumably, that would still mean you couldn't buy the unit until you had enough money for its default cost.
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Yeah, indeed.
Here are the price changed maps. I haven't tested all of them.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/21865790/clanwars%20modded%20maps%20cost%20changes.zip
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| Re: Cheaper units on the stock maps [message #461499 is a reply to message #461372] |
Tue, 10 January 2012 07:17 |
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ok, just tested all this in the CWservers:
- !ready command
works perfectly. in fact it works better than i hoped it would, lovely stuff
- unit costs
work perfectly (and again, better than i thought it would, because the PT screens have changed too, showing the correct prices at the time). however, mobius/mendoza costs 800; i'd like them to cost 600 please.
- infinite infantry ammo update
works perfectly for most units (i.e. they start with /999 ammo) except the following:
both rocket officers
gunner
both snipers
both ramjets
PIC/raveshaw
the above units start with their default limited ammo. of course, they can simply refill after purchase, but it would be nice if they didn't have to.
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| Re: Cheaper units on the stock maps [message #461500 is a reply to message #461372] |
Tue, 10 January 2012 07:31 |
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Oh, the 800 cost on Mendoza/Mobius was a misread, I also was thinking why'd you want them at 800 when they're worse than jets/pics. I'll fix that.
For the !ready command stuff, if you buy another character before the match get reset it prevents you from moving, that's what it's supposed to do instead of the laggy sliding back to your spawn position when you initially spawn. Dunno if you care about that but I might be able to do some stuff to prevent players from moving that way instead of the laggish sliding.
I found out why the infinite ammo doesn't work on them, I'll fix that.
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Tue, 10 January 2012 07:34 |
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thanks again.
| iRANian wrote on Tue, 10 January 2012 07:31 |
For the !ready command stuff, if you buy another character before the match get reset it prevents you from moving, that's what it's supposed to do instead of the laggy sliding back to your spawn position when you initially spawn. Dunno if you care about that but I might be able to do some stuff to prevent players from moving that way instead of the laggish sliding.
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Doesn't matter tbh
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