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Time Travel and other stuff. [message #90135]

Wed, 26 May 2004 05:10

Cypher [PCNC]
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Registered: March 2003

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It's basically an application of the Chaos theory, or perhaps....

Read Isaac Asimov's Foundation books.
Harry Saldon, a character in those books, has created a thing called Psycho-History. It explains all the workings of the idea.... However, it also explains, in the later books, why it doesn't work, although the illusion of it working still exists.

The future is not written. But, it is just "simple" math, to calculate what is going to happen next. Then you just change various variables and parameters to affect the future (not change it, cause it hasn't happened yet).

It is the scientific counterpart of Theology's "free will" that God has granted humans.

Frank Herbert, and now Brian and Kevin, explains it with the Guild Navigators, the Mentat Emperor Paul Moad'dib Atreides and the God Emperor Leto Atreides II (the most prominant example).
The latter two see various futures with their presience, their precognitive omnisience.
It's not some magic or divine power that allows them to see futures. It's their evolved mind that does the calculations, that afforementioned "simple" math.
And as Leto II does, in order to achieve his Golden Path he simply enforces those variables and parameters to make that Golden Path come true.
He doesn't predict it, he strives and works for it, knowing the needed data and variables.

Cypher
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		Time Travel and other stuff. By: TheGunrun on Tue, 05 August 2003 12:50
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		Time Travel and other stuff. By: warranto on Tue, 05 August 2003 13:03
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: boma57 on Tue, 05 August 2003 13:09
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: SomeRhino on Tue, 05 August 2003 13:10
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: boma57 on Tue, 05 August 2003 13:32
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Try_lee on Tue, 05 August 2003 13:58
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		Time Travel and other stuff. By: YSLMuffins on Tue, 05 August 2003 15:59
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		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Yano on Tue, 05 August 2003 17:48
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: boma57 on Tue, 05 August 2003 18:01
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		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Yano on Tue, 05 August 2003 18:55
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		Time Travel and other stuff. By: djlaptop on Tue, 05 August 2003 19:32
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		Time Travel and other stuff. By: TheMouse on Tue, 05 August 2003 21:00
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: warranto on Tue, 05 August 2003 21:05
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		Time Travel and other stuff. By: djlaptop on Wed, 06 August 2003 10:14
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		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Walrus on Thu, 07 August 2003 11:37
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: TheGunrun on Thu, 07 August 2003 11:59
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Infinint on Thu, 07 August 2003 12:18
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		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Yano on Thu, 07 August 2003 19:59
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		Time Travel and other stuff. By: warranto on Thu, 07 August 2003 20:51
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Wild1 on Thu, 07 August 2003 20:54
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: boma57 on Thu, 07 August 2003 21:07
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Infinint on Thu, 07 August 2003 21:34
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: TheGunrun on Fri, 08 August 2003 13:13
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: TheMouse on Fri, 08 August 2003 13:21
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: TheGunrun on Sat, 09 August 2003 02:26
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		Time Travel and other stuff. By: TheGunrun on Sat, 09 August 2003 13:16
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		Time Travel and other stuff. By: TheGunrun on Sun, 10 August 2003 16:36
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		Time Travel and other stuff. By: TheGunrun on Mon, 11 August 2003 09:22
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		Time Travel and other stuff. By: TheGunrun on Tue, 12 August 2003 17:05
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		Time Travel and other stuff. By: OrcaPilot26 on Thu, 21 August 2003 00:13
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		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Infinint on Fri, 22 August 2003 11:31
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		Time Travel and other stuff. By: TheGunrun on Tue, 25 May 2004 13:34
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Infinint on Tue, 25 May 2004 13:51
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Phoenix - Aeon on Tue, 25 May 2004 13:52
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		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Phoenix - Aeon on Wed, 26 May 2004 03:03
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Cypher [PCNC] on Wed, 26 May 2004 05:10
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Cypher [PCNC] on Wed, 26 May 2004 05:20
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Phoenix - Aeon on Wed, 26 May 2004 08:31
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Cypher [PCNC] on Wed, 26 May 2004 09:11
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Phoenix - Aeon on Wed, 26 May 2004 15:24
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: TheGunrun on Wed, 26 May 2004 17:48
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: prox on Wed, 26 May 2004 18:17
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		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Phoenix - Aeon on Thu, 27 May 2004 05:02
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		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Phoenix - Aeon on Thu, 27 May 2004 15:22
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: TheGunrun on Mon, 19 July 2004 11:02
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: mrpirate on Mon, 19 July 2004 20:42
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: spreegem on Mon, 19 July 2004 20:46
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Anonymous on Tue, 20 July 2004 06:56
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: TheGunrun on Tue, 20 July 2004 09:06
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: drunkill on Wed, 21 July 2004 05:23
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Anonymous on Wed, 21 July 2004 12:57
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: TheGunrun on Wed, 21 July 2004 13:10
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: spreegem on Wed, 21 July 2004 19:43
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: drunkill on Thu, 22 July 2004 00:44
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Dan on Thu, 22 July 2004 08:38
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Anonymous on Fri, 23 July 2004 18:20
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: TheGunrun on Fri, 23 July 2004 18:26
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Anonymous on Sat, 24 July 2004 06:45
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: TheGunrun on Sat, 24 July 2004 09:08
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: SuperFlyingEngi on Sat, 24 July 2004 10:19
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		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Anonymous on Sat, 24 July 2004 17:21
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: TheGunrun on Sat, 24 July 2004 17:30
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		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Anonymous on Sat, 24 July 2004 17:41
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: mrpirate on Sat, 24 July 2004 17:50
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: TheGunrun on Sat, 24 July 2004 17:56
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: SuperFlyingEngi on Sat, 24 July 2004 17:58
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: mrpirate on Sat, 24 July 2004 23:41
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: kopaka649 on Sun, 25 July 2004 08:57
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Anonymous on Sun, 25 July 2004 10:11
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Chrono945 on Tue, 27 July 2004 14:22
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Anonymous on Wed, 28 July 2004 11:28
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: TheGunrun on Wed, 28 July 2004 12:28
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Dan on Wed, 28 July 2004 13:02
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Anonymous on Wed, 28 July 2004 14:16
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: SuperFlyingEngi on Wed, 28 July 2004 17:13
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: TheGunrun on Wed, 28 July 2004 17:42
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Anonymous on Wed, 28 July 2004 19:03
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: TheGunrun on Thu, 29 July 2004 08:25
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Anonymous on Thu, 29 July 2004 11:55
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Demolition man on Thu, 29 July 2004 12:07
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Anonymous on Fri, 30 July 2004 03:09
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Demolition man on Fri, 30 July 2004 03:31
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