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OT: Political IQ Test [message #70490] Sun, 07 March 2004 22:38 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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SuperFlyingEngi

Oh no, here we go with the "Blame Clinton for the bad stuff, take away credit for the good stuff" ...stuff.

Tell me what good Clinton is responsible for. Not what good happened during his term, but what he is directly responsible for. You say the economy grew because of him. What economic policy did Clinton implement and how did that make the economy grow?

If Clinton did all good and no bad during his term, then why did the economy go into recession five months after his term ended?

SuperFlyingEngi

Because Bush gives money back to people and makes it so they can't let the government hold on to it, then stupid people lose their retirement on bad investments and go on welfare, which you so radically hate.

That's why they're called stupid people, because a smart person would put a portion of that money in a savings fund in the bank where it can safely gain interest, and/or invest another portion of that money in USTBs.



SuperFlyingEngi

"We" as in "Not stupid and/or unlucky people".

"We win" as in businesses would have to compete with each other and offer cheaper and better services.

If you lose all of your money because of a stupid decision you made, I should not have to pay for it.

SuperFlyingEngi

Not everyone wins on the market. Keeping SS with the government keeps homeless people off of the street.

Keeping SS with the government keeps the budget deficit high.

SuperFlyingEngi

Actually, now the government takes what you put in for Social Security and uses that money to pay for the social security of the people who get it now. It's going to be a HUGE problem when the baby boomers go into retirement and social security goes Up Up Up.

Which means Social Security is really just an income redistribution method used by the government to plunder from the successful and give to the lazy.

Give me one good reason why you should not have to pay for your own needs with your own money.

SuperFlyingEngi

Oh, I meant to type 50 billion instead of 500, but no one really knows how much it costs because ITS NOT INCLUDED IN BUSH'S 2004 BUDGET!

You're mad about a $50 billion war, which is necessary for our country's self-defense, when over $400 billion will be spent on medicare, which is just an elaborate and expensive vote-buying scheme to buy the votes of geriatrics, over the next few years?

You need to get your priorities straight.

SuperFlyingEngi

If it's necessary to keep the country running well, than yes. HONESTLY.

Too bad it's not running well.

SuperFlyingEngi

Let's talk about the government only needing 750 billion a year to run. You know what the government spends per year on the military? About 450 billion dollars. How much per year does the government spend on the national debt? Well, the whole debt service gets about 383 billion a year, and about 95% of that goes towwards paying interest on the national debt. So far that's over 800 billion dollars. And you want to cut taxes? That's pretty much one of the last things that we should do.

$750 billion would be all that is needed if the government was reduced to its constitutionally mandated size. As of now, the government is exponentially larger than what our forefathers had previously planned for the size to actually be. Granted, some services require more money now than was required when the Constitution was written (we need to spend billions of dollars on our kick-ass military to make sure it stays the best in the world), but programs like welfare and medicare did not even cross the minds of our forefathers.

SuperFlyingEngi

And that's a good thing? See above.

Yes, it is, because that money is going to be put back into the economy. That money would be given to the people to spend and invest which would make the economy grow bigger.

Tax cuts=larger economy.

SuperFlyingEngi

So everyone buying some entertainment item is better than using the money to pay off the national debt? 7 trillion dollars doesn't just vanish.

Everyone buying an increased amount of goods and services is good for the economy. If the government would stop spending so much damn money, there wouldn't be such a huge national debt.

So the national debt is $7 trillion now? :rolleyes:
I'd like to see where you pulled that statistic from.

SuperFlyingEngi

Guess who buys the most stuff with money? The poor. But god damn, we better not give THOSE losers any money!

This may be true in your own little world, but in reality, rich people buy the most stuff with money because they actually have money.

Poor people are poor because they keep doing the things that make them poor. You are where you are in life as a result of your own decisions. If you have made bad decisions before in your life, you should look to yourself or your fellow man for help! NOT THE GOVERNMENT!!!! The role of government is to protect the rights of its citizens, not give a free handout to anyone who doesn't want to work! There are plenty of private organizations and charities that would gladly help you if you are in a bad position in your life. Do not look to the government for help unless one of your rights has been infringed.

SuperFlyingEngi

Ooh, like how he was soooo close to Whitewater? Read the part where I talked about your poster in full, probably 14 or so pages back.

Clinton is guilty as sin and you know it. Just how desperate he was during the Lewinsky investigation should be enough to get anyone to believe he was guilty! He tried to explain the meaning of the word "is" for cryin' out loud!!! How can you defend a man who gets desperate enough to debate the meaning of the word "is?" :rolleyes:

SuperFlyingEngi

I think the Clinton/Lewinsky thing was really bad. But what's worse: Lying to the American people about personal affairs, or lying to the American people about going to war and the environment? Take a minute on that one.

Well, since one lie was under oath in a court of law, which is a felony, and the other "lie" is only a personal conviction you have with no evidence to prove those lies to be lies, which really isn't a lie at all, then I would have to say the first lie is worse simply because the second "lie" is not a lie at all.

SuperFlyingEngi

Yes, I too see how incredibly obvious it is that I get EVERYTHING from the media. However, one way to make the media more truthful is cross-reference stories. If there are too many holes, you can tell something's up. But again, I don't learn everything from the media.

That's good that you don't get all of your news from one source since there is no such thing as a purely objective news source.

SuperFlyingEngi

I don't think he was dumb for making that claim. If anything, he was dumb for saying something the right could distort into something that makes people think he's a lying monster.

The "something" that the "right" distorted was the claim that he invented the internet.

So you just said Al Gore was dumb for making that claim.

SuperFlyingEngi

What the crap? Maybe he was using that money to buy things like food or stuff. But since he was being hunted by the armed forces, it's obvious the first thing on his mind was to give money to terrorists from down in a hole.

:rolleyes:
He was going to use $750,000 to buy food, riiiiiiiiight.

It never occured to you that a terrorist group was planning to meet Saddam to pick up the cash while he was in hiding?

SuperFlyingEngi

That means you shouldn't always believe unfounded science.

It also means that a single study doesn't necessarily mean anything until more and more studies and experiments are conducted to support the findings of that study.

Retard Man IQ-Of-1

hydra- you know whats really getting old???? you saying "ehhh im a stuck up asshole sixteen year old, did you pull that out of your ass retard man iq of 1?? ehhh... its unfortunate i contribute less than that freak retard man who has .... ehhh.... eh...... you pull that out of your ass.... you crapped that out didnt you..... ehhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!" honestly your starting to make me angry. in response t oyour post about your eight year old cousin.

Fi9rstly, he is unfortunat to have such an asshole for a cousin.

Secondly, since you are so determined that i have split personalities, maybe i am your cousin.....

I haven't accused you of having split personalities. I accused you of having multiple accounts simply for the purpose of spamming under those accounts so this one doesn't get deleted.

Your "response," if you can even call it that, to my post about my eight-year-old cousin is just plain stupid. It shows you completely missed the point of what I said and you have no ability whatsoever to pick up on simple sarcasm.

Retard Man IQ-Of-1

why do they call it the war on iraq when we are trying to liberate it, i thought saddam was what we were trying to fix not the whole damn country

Who the hell cares? It's completely irrelevant to what we are arguing here.

Retard Man IQ-Of-1

also, saying that we would have wasted the money that we already wasted on the war is stupid. it might be true for all i know but even if we did "waste it" it would help a lot more people for a lot longer of a time.

Your inability at forming a cohesive sentence using basic grammar skills astounds me.

Someone tell me what the hell this guy is trying to say.

Retard Man IQ-Of-1

im not saying welfare taxes are the greates thing in the world (actually ift might seem like it but there goes the split personality again her huh! ((that was laughing)) )
i understand where you are coming from about people having welfare as a career basically, maybe that is wy clinton prettty much got rid of it during his term.

:rolleyes:
Are you seriously that uninformed? Clinton proposed major spending increases on welfare, one of the reasons why it costs so damn much right now.

Clinton did anything BUT get rid of welfare.

Retard Man IQ-Of-1

as for the drug smugging thing (im not sure if that was it, but it was something equally scandalous, i will try to find a link or reference)

Confused

Retard Man IQ-Of-1

i hate to say this, but i am sorry if i offend you horribly. im also sorry i am not that good at typing. but please just because i think or express myself differently than you other guys doesnt mean i am totally worthless, say what you want, but as long as i know that you are respecting my opinion and beliefs i will feel a little bit better about myself.

There's an easy way to fix the typing thing. It's called proofreading. Before you make a post, proofread it first and make sure it makes sense. We don't mind that you have an opinion different from ours, it's that you don't take the time to read your own posts before posting them to make sure they make sense. The reason why I call you retarded is because you make posts that look like they were written by a monkey hitting random keys because he liked the color of the keyboard. None of your posts ever have a single thought that is clearly expressed; you always smash a bunch of random thoughts together in the form of one long, run-on sentence. You rarely, if ever, use punctuation of any kind, so we cannot even begin to understand your post because it just does not make any sense.


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