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Crimson

Clinton lied about a LOT more than just getting head in the Oval Office, pimpboyjoe.


Clinton lied about a lot more stuff.....like what? You mean all that crap your daddy came up with that isn't true? If it isn't true, then Clinton didn't lie about it.

Just so you know, here's some stuff Clinton did to thwart terrorism:

Thrity-eight days after Clinton took office the World Trade Center was attacked for the first time. [No, not with planes, it was a truck bomb that was detonated in the underground parking complex.] Thus, Clinton swept in to action. He captured, tried, convicted, and imprisoned Ramzi Yousef, Abdul Hakim Murad, and Wali Khan Amin Shah, those who were responsible for the bombing. And he never even had to go to war. These terrorists were also involved in plots to assassinate the pope and blow up 12 airliners simultaneously. But these never happened. Perhaps they would have, if Clinton hadn't been President.
Some other things Clinton thwarted:
1) Bomb attack against UN Headquarters
2) Bomb attack against the FBI Building
3) Bomb attacj against the Israeli embassy in Washington
4) Bomb attack against the LA and Boston Airports
5) Bomb attack against the Lincoln and Holland tunnels
6) Bomb attack against the George Washington bridge
The U.s. wouldn't have been a happy place if all of these terrorist attacks had occured.

How did he do it? He tripled the counterterrorism budget for the FBI. He doubled counterterrorism funding overall. He rolled up Al Qaeda cells in more than 20 countries. He created a top-level national security post to coordinate all federal counterterrorism activity. His first and second crime bills contained stringent antiterrorism legislation. He created a national stockpile of drugs and vaccines, which included 40 million doses of smallpox vaccines.

Barton Gellman of the Washington Post

By any measure availible, Clinton left office having given greater priority to terrorism than any president before him.


You think Republicans were cooperating with what Clinton was doing? Hell no. The same people who said Clinton didn't do enough to stop terrorism days after 9/11 were the ones who were fighting his terrorism decisions in Congress. When Clinton asked for more terrorism funding in 1996, Orrin Hatch said, ""The administration would be wise to utilize the resources Congress has already provided before it requests additional funding." After the Oklahoma City bombing, which happened a year before that, Clinton proposed to expand the intelligence agencie's wiretap authority to combat terrorism. On FOX News Sunday, Newt Gingrich said,

Newt Gingrich, the guy who divorced his wife while she was recovering from cancer

When you have an agency that turns nine hundred personell files over to people like Craig Livingstone. . . . it's very hard to justify giving that agency more power


Gingrich was referring to Filegate, one of the many FOX-hyped investigations that yielded zip and then quietly went away.

Right after terrorists attacked US Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, Clinton issued a presidential directive to authorize the assassination of Osama bin Laden. Sean Hannity [a conservative crackpot] always brings up Reagan's Executive Order 12333, which prohibits assassinating foreign heads of state. The only thing is, Osama bin Laden isn't a foreign head of state.

The final major attack during the Clinton era was when terrorists bombed the USS Cole, killing 17 US sailors. That got Clinton pissed. Instead of funding them and giving them weapons like Reagan, Clinton set out to destory them. He assigned Richard Clarke in charge of creating a plan to eliminate al Qaeda. This became a cover story for Time Magazine [August 12, 2002]. Clarke produced a strategy paper that he gave to Sandy Berger and other national security principals on December 20, 2002. Here's what the plan detailed:
Systematically attack financial support for al Qaeda terrorist activities.
Break up al Qaeda cells and arrest their members.
Freeze al Qaeda assets and stop funding through fake charities.
Give aid to governments having trouble with al Qaeda.
Scale up covert action in Afghanistan to eliminate the training camps and reach bin Laden himself.
But this plan was never put in to action. Because Clinton's two terms were up. And even though he lost the election, President Bush came in to office. The only reason the plan was not implemented is because the Clinton administration didn't want a hand Bush a war when he got in to office. And Bush never used the plan, either. Clinton gave the plan to Bush and trusted him to protect America. Instead, all Bush did was launch a big hyped-up war to make people think he's doing all he can.
The End.

Moving on...

ACK, actually, looking back on history is a prime way to avoid making the mistakes of the past in the future. Although Hitler and the Nazi party have nothing to do with the current Democratic presidential candidates.

Crimson

And save the human rights whining for another day. You can't pretend you really care about some random guy being locked up when he's innocent. Yeah, it sucks, but I'd rather lock up an innocent guy for a while than to let a guilty one come take our planes.


Yeah, I mean, who cares about the rules of the United States of America? The president should be whatever he wants to do whenever he feels like it. Come to think of it, why shouldn't the U.S. be a dictatorship?

Rules are there for a reason.

Crimson

Just remember that about 2% of our oil comes from Iraq. Do you really think we'd go through all this trouble for a little oil? C'mon...



About 2% of our oil comes from Iraq. That DOES NOT mean that there is a small amount of oil in Iraq. It means they don't want to sell us much. If we come in and take it, it will turn in to a lot more than 2%.

Crimson

but the phone calls just aren't there for him to talk about Kerry. They're very rare, according to him.


You want to know why? Because Limbaugh carefully screens all of his callers so only the stupidest conservatives in the world ever get to talk on his show.

Crimson

have you wanted to vote for Kerry since he put his name on the ballot, or are you more of a fair-weather fan who just goes for the front runner on the Dem side?


Well, actually, I would have voted for Dean, but since he dropped out, I would definitely vote for Kerry. He's been in the Senate for a long time, and knows a lot about government.

MrBob

"Wow, Bush says "God bless America," he must be a right-wing extremist evangelist Christian! Oh nos"!


It shows his biases, that's for sure.

Crimson

I do not listen to Rush Limbaugh, I simply read his material.


So listening to material and reading material are entirely different things?


"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)

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