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OT: Political IQ Test [message #65362] Fri, 06 February 2004 20:09 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Hey Crimson, I looked over your "poster" again, and realizing I didn't do it full justice simply saying it was a load of B.S. Here's a little more in-depth view in to just how wrong your dad was:

"Whitewatergate"
A complex ponzi scheme


No, the issue (for which the Clintons were exonerated, as you no doubt remember) was about a loan, not a ponzi scheme. Foolish rumors were circulating (more about those foolish rumors below), so Clinton appointed a independent counsel in 1994 to clear things up in a way that no one could argue with. Got that? Clinton appointed the independent counsel.

involving real estate and Madison Guaranty S&L ending with 18 felony counts and up to 3 years in prison for some of the principles.


Up to three years! Goodness. If you think the sentence contributes something, let's ask what some of those other 14, not 18, sentences were. Suspended. Suspended. 21 days. (21 days! For this we paid $40 million!?)

Did you think the Clintons were found guilty? Let's ask the minority counsel of the Whitewater committee, Richard Benveniste, what he thinks. "It didn't surprise me that there was nothing illegal, much less noteworthy, about Whitewater." [Check the quote with google.]

One of the "Whitewater" convicted, David Hale, was a witness for KennethStarr! He was that figure of legend, the crook who sees the error of his ways and corrects his sins by making a deal with the prosecutor to turn in someone else.

The others? Who were they? Can you name one besides the MacDougals? They were people Clinton never even _heard_ of, who had as much to do with Whitewater as Monica Lewinsky did. They were all the bad people Starr could find who had ever done business with anyone who had ever done business with people who had done business with Clinton. Starr rounded them up and dropped the boom on them so that he could claim convictions in the "Whitewater case." _Three_ of the convictions were connected in any way with Whitewater. None were connected in any way with the Clintons. Even MacDougal's fraud conviction had nothing to do with the Clintons.

The whole thing would have been a vicious joke, except that it cost $40 million. Or to put it another way, $40 million was transferred from the public treasury and converted into a lying Republican campaign ad. For which, in the opinion of thinking people, at least several Republicans should have been hanged.

"Foster's files"
Allegedly


What is this "allegedly"? Do you know who made these "allegations"? I do. He wrote a book about it, and you really need to read it. It's called "Blinded by the Right," by the scabrous David Brock. He was hired to make up lies about the Clintons by a truly disgusting being called Richard Scaife, who financed the anti-Clinton industry. Sit around a table, make up lies, spread them far and wide, ride out the debunking, then spread the same lies again. Over and over and over. It wasn't as if we needed Brock to write his book to know about it. But then Brock felt Jesus tap on his shoulder and in the consuming flame of humiliation, Brock confessed his crimes in his book. That's a Republican thing, apparently. Give yourself over to wickedness, and then when some crisis occurs in your life and you finally hear the Old Man tapping his feet, confess and beg forgiveness. It's called "doing a Lee Atwater." (If you don't get it, google "Lee Atwater deathbed." Or "Reagan political director deathbed beg forgiveness")

many files were removed from Vince Foster's White House office shortly after his death. Access to the office was denied authorities, and while White House Staffers denied removing files several of the Secret Service officers on duty stated that files were being removed.


This is all nonsense. Chief White House counsel Bernard Nussbaum removed files relating to the Clintons after Foster killed himself. With Foster dead, the files were the responsibility of the White House counsel. What does it mean?! What does it mean?! It means Nussbaum was doing his job. In the presence, as you point out, of Secret Service officers.
Why is this a scandal? Because David Brock and the beast Scaife spread lies about the story, ranging from "stolen files" for anyone foolish enough to believe it, to "Hillary killed Foster" for anyone insane enough to believe it. It's still going on. You're part of it.

Allegedly many of the Clinton's business and personal files had been kept there, by their personal attorney, Vince Foster.


Not their personal attorney. Deputy White House counsel. Worked for Nussbaum.

"Missing Billing Records"
Allegedly, Hillary Clinton was not able to produce the subpoenaed Rose Law Firm records


Not allegedly. She was unable to produce them. Didn't know where they were. What were they? Sheets listing what hours she had billed for various jobs. Quick, where is your time card from February 19, 1994? Produce it or be damned.

that detailed her denied involvement in the Whitewater/Castle Grande real estate scandal


Jaysus, they didn't "detail her involvement"! When they were found they exonerated her! Starr _got_ the records, and to his disgust, they revealed exactly what Hillary Clinton said they would reveal.

until days before the statute of limitations expired. The documents found in the private quarters at the White House with Hillary's fingerprints on them.


Of _course_ they had her fingerprints on them! They were her billing records! Surely you know how they got lost? Everyone knows this. White House assistant Carolyn Huber had filed them, then realized they were what everyone was looking for. Starr wept with frustration when he realized the whole thing was claptrap.

There's this wierd junkie with a radio show who keeps retelling this story without telling the whole story. Maybe that's where you heard it. He's not reliable.

"No Justice"
With crucial information either 'hidden', 'lost', or 'destroyed', & silent witnesses with blind loyalties, the whole truth about the Clinton's role in Whitewater may never be fully known.


glub glub glub. It was a $40 million campaign ad by a Republican majority evil enough to steal that much and push it that far.

"Hubblegate"
Allegedly Webster Hubble was rewarded for his silence with approximately $500,000 in 'consulting fees'


Independent counsel Robert Ray (successor to Starr) threw this one in the garbage. It was bunk. You'll want to read the final report on the Whitewater investigation turned over on 9/20/2000. You seem not to have heard that the Clintons were exonerated on every charge, with no exceptions. After a $40 million investigation.

"Studentgate"
Allegedly two former students of Clinton's law classes made controversial decisions that favored their old professor. One decision in the Paula Jones civil suit,


Your ignorance is starting to get on my nerves. The former student was Judge Susan Webber Wright. She's the judge who, controversially, ruled Clinton in contempt for lying about Monica Lewinsky. Are all your facts going to be this sound? "Former student favors old professor by ruling him in contempt." If this is your ammunition about "scandals," you're in desperate shape.

the other in an RTC criminal referral back in 1983.


Did you just make this one up?

I can't help noticing that last week VP Cheney, with a case about to be ruled on in the United States Supreme Court, took one of the Supreme Court justices on a duck-hunting trip, paying for his plane ticket (NY Times). He also _allegedly_ gave the Justice $500,000 to rule in Cheney's favor. The case is important, because it could reveal that Dick Cheney--ready now?--Dick Cheney killed Vince Foster!

"Cattlegate"
Hillary Rodham Clinton's friend Jim Blair, lawyer for Dan Tyson, Tyson Foods, was able to turn $1000.00 into almost $100,000.00 in just 9 months in the commodities futures market for Hillary.


The futures wasn't even a scandal. That's what happens in commodities markets. A scandal is when George W. Bush is given $600,000 by Harken Energy and $100,000 a year for nothing--except that his father is president. Then he borrows $100,000 from Harken at 3 points below market, with the very strange provision that if the loan tanks, the _lender_ will pay it back, then he discovers that _Harken_ is going to tank, so he ditches all his stock for 800 large, then someone tells him about insider trading, so he declines to report the sale to the SEC as required by law.
Why didn't the SEC prosecute? After all, an SEC memo confirms a finding that Bush broke the law. The decision to prosecute SEC cases is made by the SEC general counsel, who at the time was James Doty. Who conveniently enough was...George W. Bush's lawyer! Doty decided no prosecution was required. That was OK with his boss, SEC chairman Richard Breeden, who was--conveniently enough!--deputy counsel to George Bush Sr., when he was vice president, and was made SEC chairman by Bush Sr as president.
Isn't that _disgusting_!!


"Lincoln Bedroomgate"
Clinton rewarded high dollar contributors with overnight visits in the Lincoln 'bed & breakfast' bedroom.


Know who sleeps there now? High dollar contributors to Bush. That's what presidents do with the Lincoln bedroom. It's the White House guest room. Where guests sleep.

The rest of your list is too tired and stupid to bother answering. And they've each been debunked 500 times elsewhere. You know about google? Type http://www.google.com and then type in the important words from each of your foolish entries below to read what really happened. It's easy! You don't have to be such a dupe anymore!


"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)

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