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Re: Sniping tricks? or glitches? [message #491026 is a reply to message #491016]

Wed, 26 August 2015 11:06

Pyr0man1c
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Goztow wrote on Sun, 23 August 2015 02:55

Biatch used to detect rof, at least the version we had. Did have some false positives so no auto kick.

It doesn't seem to do so anymore, or at least no alert is given.

"Sapere Aude- Dare to be wise"

AmunRa

and its all this "drama" that will one day end renegade...

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A question regarding RenGuard. Because it's a client/server application, what will stop the legions of people who cheat, and can crack apps, from reverse engineering it down to it's core protocol / encryption (which I'll assume it has), and duplicating it, so that they have their own client which responds to the server with all the correct info for an unpatched Renegade, but in fact is patched.

Personally, I think you should write a server-side only anti-cheat, which hooks the networking routines in Renegade. From there, using either the help of your staff who worked on creating Renegade, or from knowledge aquired while working with the network code in Renegade, create a system to monitor hit locations (did they REALLY hit, based on calculations by the anti-cheat (stopping BH)), how much damage are they claiming, vs how much damage their currently selected weapon really does, etc.

Then, add rate-of-fire checking, complete w/ lag tolerance (since lagged client will of course, upon delag, seem to fire faster, etc), and option to simply "edit" the incoming packets, to filter out the cheat (reduce damage, stop bullets, etc), or kick-ban the cheater (admins decision, based on anti cheat config).

Is it just me, or does that make more sense?

The flaw to Renegade of course, which is the core to the cheats, is that unlike most other games, Renegade lets the CLIENT decide hit locations, damage, RoF, etc. Vs others which say, "ok, the client fired their pistol along this trajectory. Did they hit something? How much damage did they do to that target if so. Report findings to clients".

My only concern, is that there will be alot more teams of people ripping apart the hard work of your small team, and undoing what you have done. Can you keep up writing fixes / completely rewriting the protocol to counter them once they have created their OWN complete anti-RenGuard client? If not, consider the server-side only method, and solve it once and for all, with the only version changes being to fix bugs, and not complete rewrites which will really piss admins off (if it takes this long for the initial, how long after the cheaters create their own client to counter it will your rewrite take to do?).

- v00d00

ELiT3FLyR

ill say this again to all the TT people actually working on the patch. all you have to do is fix the bugs in the game. This is your role. dont get involved in a pointfix debate that you can never win (spoony has never managed to win one and hes a decent player) nor bother suggesting solutions for the faults in pointfix. just fix the damn bugs and you will all be remmebered as renegade heroes.

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		Sniping tricks? or glitches? By: _SSnipe_ on Wed, 12 August 2015 17:51
		Re: Sniping tricks? or glitches? By: ehhh on Wed, 12 August 2015 23:29
		Re: Sniping tricks? or glitches? By: YesNoMayb on Thu, 13 August 2015 21:11
		Re: Sniping tricks? or glitches? By: dubstar on Sat, 22 August 2015 03:18
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		Re: Sniping tricks? or glitches? By: InternetThug on Sat, 22 August 2015 23:09
		Re: Sniping tricks? or glitches? By: ehhh on Sun, 23 August 2015 02:00
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		Re: Sniping tricks? or glitches? By: Goztow on Sun, 23 August 2015 02:55
		Re: Sniping tricks? or glitches? By: Pyr0man1c on Wed, 26 August 2015 11:06
		Re: Sniping tricks? or glitches? By: InternetThug on Sun, 23 August 2015 19:38
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