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Re: Questions I would like to pose to athiests [message #466283 is a reply to message #466205] Tue, 17 April 2012 13:38 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Spoony, you only reveal your ignorance of Christians. A source that gives a very detailed account of Jesus is the one you quoted in asking where is one.

I've asked you five or six times to provide a single good source for the remarkably specifically detailed version of events you gave regarding the disposal of Jesus' body. Everyone reading this thread can see me asking you over and over again, and can see you dodging it over and over again.

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Another key thing your ignorant of, if you are of a different religion and did not come to Catholicism, this does not necessary mean your going to hell. If someone is wicked, most likely they are. If they are a good humble person, regardless of religion, it is possible to go to heaven.

Prove it.

Go on, prove it. You claim you know a single damn thing about the afterlife? Prove it. Even claiming that there is an afterlife at all is an extraordinary claim. Prove it. Then go on to prove that you know its nature, and who's going where.

Don't dodge this one, like you did with the resurrection business. Prove it or admit you can't prove it.

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If the person comes to an intellectual understanding of God and chooses to reject Him, then they are going to hell.

Well. I asked you two questions about hell:
stop beating around the bush. two questions:
1. are people who are not the right religion going to be tortured for it
2. is that a good thing

You just answered the first one. Well done. Have a crack at number two. You just said that yes, people can and will be horribly tortured for not being the right religion. Well then, do you think that's a good thing? I won't necessarily assume the answer is yes just because you worship the god who you think is in charge of this thing. I'll give you the chance to say for yourself whether you think this god of yours is doing the right or wrong thing: sending people to be tortured if they are not the right religion.

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This is the only thing you can say because you have no other argument to offer.

And yet anyone reading this thread can see me make quite a few points you obviously couldn't answer.

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The only thing you have been able to demonstrate is hate.

Oh, please. If you think you're on the wrong end of hate right now, I have good news for you: you've never experienced hate. Consider yourself fortunate.

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You read an argument, and dismiss it as stupid. That is not honesty.

Your arguments were stupid. Get over it. Don't call me dishonest because you said something stupid and I called it stupid.

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Any person in love and pursuit of truth would debate the various points.

We saw a page or two ago that you don't know what love is. Remember? You were using the word "love" to describe your god's torture chamber.

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You disregard it simply because the implications you do not like and want to not agree with it.

You're a damn fool.

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The best argument for God to you specifically is you yourself. You haven proven to be a miserable hateful individual without Him.

Do you really want to say that that's the best argument? This is the internet. You can't know too much about how "miserable" or "hateful" I am; you can only judge by my posts themselves, which are neither miserable nor hateful. If you want to assume I am both of those things personally, in spite of my posts, I suppose you may. But you must realise it's damaging to your own position to say that it's the best you've got, surely?

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Atheists can still love, the negation is not what I am implying. But for you, what good is a love that is so tainted by hatred and is miserable? What good is your miserableness when you know there is something better.

...you're saying I know there really is a god?

if so, you'd have to be a bit more specific than that; you're not talking about Zeus - for example - are you. If so, what you're really saying is "you know this specific God and the details about him is real", isn't it?

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If you were honest with yourself, then you would be honest with the world. Haters gonna hate until the day they break out of that shell and look back and wonder how could they be so depraved.

Take my advice and lay off the rhetoric, you aren't any good at it.

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If a child did not know their parents, do you honestly think that the parents would just throw them into the fire and hypocritically call that love? If a child knew their parents, but disowned them. When the child came back seeking forgiveness, do you honestly think that the parents would throw him into the fire and hypocritically call that love also?

No, I don't think a powerful creature throwing a weaker creature into a fire should be considered an act of love. I don't think a scenario could ever be found where an adult throwing a living child into a fire would be just at all, and yet this is the analogy you selected.


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