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Re: Questions I would like to pose to athiests [message #463094 is a reply to message #442568] Tue, 28 February 2012 13:35 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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The origin of a being was actually explained in my second argument which you did nothing to show why it was wrong, just dismissed it as drivel. I already told you the sources. Evolution without some being designing it immediately implies the products of evolution must be by chance. Historical accuracy and interpretation of the Bible are two different subjects and you are confusing the two and meshing them as one. You refer to the flood. Ancient secular sources like the Epic of Gilgamesh also describe a catastrophic flood. Archaeological evidence also point to a major flood that covered the area described in the Bible where Noah resided which if you remember your history was the known world at that time.

Hell in terms of Christian theology, which I believe you to have inadequate knowledge of, is at its core, the absence of God. God is love and love is God. True love stems from God. Thus Hell is the absence of love since God is love. God is fiery love, Bible describes Him to fire. Therefore Hell is a fiery place of torture because the soul is deprived of the burning love of God.

More Christian theology. Lazarus was raised from the dead through the power of Jesus. The devil has his power because God permits him to have it. This does not mean God endorses the devil, instead it makes people who follow God true lovers of God. I believe you are referring to Zechariah with the zombie stuff. Those passages describe a disease, nothing about the undead so some of it depends on how you define zombie. Leprosy was major back then and had these kinds of symptoms described, not to mention others.

Catholic theology: The Catholic Church never stated as official dogma that all Jews were guilty of murder. If so, state which Church Council and what year. This idea stems from some Christians (unfortunately) who read the Bible and condemn the Jews for the murder of Jesus, deicide. These Christians sadly took out their anger on Jews. People point to the murder of the Jews in Germany during the Crusades as more examples of Catholic hate for the Jews but if you research deeper, you will find it was Catholic priests, monks, and bishops who stopped the senseless slaughter and some were slaughtered with the Jews. Look at WW2. The Pope and the Catholic Church saved thousands of Jewish lives by smuggling them out of Europe, hiding them in monasteries and churches. A Catholic priest gave up his life to save a Jew in a concentration camp because the nazis were sending the Jew to the gas chamber and the priest took his place. My point is Anti-Antisemitism was never a official Catholic policy and that the history of this subject is so muddled that it is hard for people find what truly happened in history.

Vatican 2 was needed.

This is my last post for at least a week. If your going to respond Spoony, then please show the fault(s) in my two arguments for the existence of a God since this is what pertained to our original subject of the creation of the universe. Spend time and actually read what it was I posted in my arguments.

Here is a link for Fundamentals of the Faith by Peter Kreeft you can read if so desired.

http://books.google.com/books?id=isu3dqRiqg0C&printsec=frontcover&dq=Pet er+Kreeft+fundamentals+of+the+faith&hl=en&sa=X&ei=HkpLT5yvLuWpiALFna H5Dw&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Peter%20Kreeft%20fundamentals%20of%20th e%20faith&f=false
 
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