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Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? [message #458544 is a reply to message #457987]

Thu, 27 October 2011 06:07

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Spoony wrote on Mon, 07 February 2011 06:13

firstly, blu3y3z, do you wanna have a crack at my reply to your last comment about religion?

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(SSnipe) -BLU3Y3Z- wrote on Fri, 14 January 2011 04:45

I always thought of it this way, if there is a god, why take your chances? if there is not a god then ok but if there is, its to late your fucked when you die

this is what religion always boils down to in the end... threats.

by "take your chances" i presume you mean being honest about having doubts about the extremely specific claims made by religion, bearing in mind the complete lack of evidence for them.

secondly, belief isn't a choice. i don't know how your mind works, but i can't choose to believe something even if i'm threatened with punishment if i don't.

thirdly, there are several contradictory religions who make this threat. the pope says only catholics are going to heaven and other non-catholic christians are going to hell with all the other atheists. some protestant churches say the same thing in reverse. islam says all non-muslims are going to hell. who's right, blu3y3z? which of these if any are correct, and which are liars and frauds?

fourthly, you're saying this god of yours is going to torture people just for not being convinced of his existence (again, see above re: complete lack of evidence). what a colossal prick. what a cruel, merciless monster this god of yours seems to be. you want to worship something as evil as that? what does this say about you?

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but its more then that its a faith that brings you happiness and most people who I know who are religious are good hard working people, while most people who dont believe him so they think they can create all chaos they want which led to horrible things. Yes alot of people take religion and turn it into something bad cults, terrorist, but we only notice them for that reason while more of the world has crime create form the ones who don't believe.

interesting you say that. you're pro-torture and anti-freedom of religion, and the reason you take these extraordinary positions is religion. you wouldn't think that if it wasn't for religion, surely.
you talk about people "taking religion and turning it into cults and terrorists". well, i presume you consider yourself a moderate, yet you're anti-freedom of religion and pro-torture as a punishment for not being the right religion. as for the fundamentalists, i hope you're aware that islamic jihadism isn't a misinterpretation or corruption of the quran and hadith. i invite you to read them.

"most people don't believe him so they think they can create all chaos they want" - the religious always like to find a hidden agenda for anyone who doesn't believe their extremely specific claims. it can't be because you've got fuck all evidence or because your holy book is revolting, can it?

"more of the world has crime create form the ones who don't believe."
in america, the proportion of prison inmates who are atheists is significantly lower than the proportion of atheists in the free population. i wouldn't necessarily argue that this proves anything, but you said it. as for the rest of the world, the more secular countries always do best in societal health - low crime, good education, good health, low teenage pregnancy etc.

if someone said i was pro-torture and anti-freedom of religion, i would definitely want to correct them.

secondly...

(SSnipe) -BLU3Y3Z- wrote on Mon, 07 February 2011 00:25

wow spoony really? another anti-religion crusade............

yes, here's yet another case of a religion behaving in an almost indescribably evil manner. as if we needed another. you'll notice i've generally left Sikhs and Quakers alone, for example; why do you think that might be?

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		Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: Spoony on Mon, 17 October 2011 03:26
		Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: Gohax on Mon, 17 October 2011 07:14
		Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: shaitan on Mon, 17 October 2011 07:49
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		Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: NACHO-ARG on Mon, 17 October 2011 09:48
		Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: GEORGE ZIMMER on Mon, 17 October 2011 16:10
		Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: Jerad2142 on Wed, 19 October 2011 08:18
		Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: _SSnipe_ on Wed, 26 October 2011 23:35
		Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: Spoony on Thu, 27 October 2011 05:11
		Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: GEORGE ZIMMER on Thu, 27 October 2011 05:42
		Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: Spoony on Thu, 27 October 2011 06:07
		Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: reborn on Thu, 27 October 2011 06:15
		Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: Spoony on Fri, 28 October 2011 02:25
		Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: _SSnipe_ on Fri, 28 October 2011 20:23
		Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: Spoony on Sat, 29 October 2011 04:15
		Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: GEORGE ZIMMER on Sun, 30 October 2011 11:49
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		Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: Taz on Mon, 07 November 2011 04:41
		Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: Spoony on Mon, 07 November 2011 08:58
		Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: Starbuzz on Mon, 07 November 2011 09:03
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