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Re: Questions I would like to pose to athiests [message #443409 is a reply to message #442980] Sun, 30 January 2011 07:42 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
Starbuzzz
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Billions of stars explode and implode everyday and humans observe them all. We have seen the pictures too. I don't think anyone concludes that such gigantic explosions are the result of the whim of some super intelligent sentient being. They just happen due to a natural repeating process of birth, life and death. Why the heck would someone not apply the same concept to the universe as well? And why do people think there was "nothing" before the Big Bang? Also why do people think there is nothing outside out universe? I can't/won't accept that!

When are we going to relive ourselves from this silly extremely limited-in-scope circular way of thinking?! I think this is just humans confusing and confunding ourselves with our too-unflexible linear way of thought. That's the source of all this confusion. The Big Bang makes sense but its failure to properly explain what was before it has lead to confusion.

So according to most people: there was a massive god who had always existed in the darkness of nothingness. All of a sudden, "he"/"she"/"it" decides to make something and boom, makes a big bang happen and we all came out of it. OR, there was nothing and a Big Bang orccured. Come on now, what if there were billions of universes. That's why I find the current model very unsatisfying:

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We are looking at the universe from the inside and assuming it to be a house outside which there is nothing. What if "our" universe was just 1 house in a giant cosmic street which was part of a massive suburb full of other "houses" outside of a massive cosmic city which was part of a giant cosmic country which in turn was part of a giant cosmic superplanet and which in turn was part of a cosmic solar system and we go on and on and on. Are you following me on this analogy? This makes sense to me personally.

I think it's something to do with a magnifying glass. Our position on earth is supremely magnified from our point of view. And if we magnify more, we see bacteria and atoms and what makes them up beyond which we can't really magnify any further. Now when we "zoom out" the possibilites are supremely endless and infinite. We maybe wrongly thinking that there is a maximum "zoomed out" position. And we call this position "god." It simply doesn't click for me...not making sense. Because there needs to more zooming out than that too and it seems possible to do so.

So the universe imo has no boundaries. It stretces on and on. So let me make a summary: Let's say we hop on Battlestar Galactica and keeping going in one direction hoping to reach the edge of the universe, we will keep failing cos no matter how far we go...we will only uncover more and more. We will never be able to go outside the universe because there is no outside! Eventually we will reach a point so far into deep space that we can see the gigantic contents of our univrese in one giant tangled ballweb of smoke and dust. And we can still keep going and going and going in the vain hope of reaching the place outside the universe but we won't be able to. We will eventually end up finding yet another universe or just squirming around in deep dark space.

This is what makes the most sense for me; maybe I am misunderstanding/overlooking some things. Seems possible but any comments?
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