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Re: Questions I would like to pose to athiests [message #442631 is a reply to message #442629]

Thu, 13 January 2011 18:20

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Spoony wrote on Fri, 14 January 2011 00:52

anyone watched the lecture i linked to?

sum total of the universe is zero thanks to negative energy. matter and energy are interchangeable. so if he's right, the universe can come from nothing.

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the universe creation is a circular argument. Some believe that God/Gods created it, but then the underlying question is who created him/her? On the other hand, if it wasn't God, who was it, someone had to precede and create the universe, and so who/what created him? and who/what created the thing who/what created the universe? But in the end, something had to create the universe, an thus some type of higher being so atheists lose on this debate. Logic fails them to win on this argument.

you misunderstand atheism. it's a rejection of theism, not deism. theism is the claim that not only is there a god(s) but that we can know and indeed do know a lot of stuff about it/them, e.g. that he listens to our prayers and disapproves of homosexuality. to be an atheist all you need to really do is reject the VERY SPECIFIC claims made by the religious.

Yeah I watched it all, I personally find things on astronomy very interesting so it was actually time well spent.

However like the lecturer said there are people who agree with him and people who disagree with him. Not just random people who know very little about the subject its people who are very respected in their fields. So it all comes down to what you personally think.

Good watch though.

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