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| FlaminGunz wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 04:20 |
i really dont care whether he is rude or polite. Obviosuly if it gets out of hand then sure go ahead and ban him, but the level of rude id tend to say is fairly high here. Not that i care tbh
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Right, it's that he should be rude to be unwelcome here- it shouldn't work the other way around, and that him being "polite" means he SHOULD be welcome here.
| FlaminGunz wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 04:20 |
what i was tring to say, is that it doesnt matter how many reasons you throw around... he hasnt broken a rule. If you were to ban him for any of those reasons, youd be banning like retarded ren mods do... for their own reasons. Not the servers rules. not sure if you understand that or not.
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I understand it perfectly. The thing is, 0x90 is pretty much just being nice so he DOESN'T get banned. It's like a known terrorist acting very nice and polite- that by no means should grant them any form of acceptance if they continue to blow shit up.
| FlaminGunz wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 04:20 |
I mean i completely understand why you want him banned, but what im trying to say is that it doesnt matter. He hasnt broken any rules...
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Once again, I know he hasn't broken any rules on here. But let's take things into perspective for a moment:
1: Renegade is a small community. Renegade Forums' higher-ups are essentially the higher-ups of the Renegade community altogether (TT people, etc). If we were to unwelcome him from the forums, that's giving him a big "fuck you".
2: He's damaged this game a fucking lot. I know you know this, but I feel it's necessary to point it out alot until people realize he is responsible for the decline of Renegade's competitive community.
3: If the whole community starts to tell him "Fuck you" but he wants to stay here, then he should outright stop making cheats, apologize for the shit he's done. If he doesn't want to be here but continues to shit up the community in spite of the fact that he obviously is welcome, why the fuck should he stay?
| FlaminGunz wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 04:20 |
And yeah you dont always have to follow rules, but they are there for a reason and if mods choose to enforce them, i think its immature to deny they are right. Its their job to enforce the rules, no matter how stupid YOU thinkt hey are.
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No, see, just because there are rules doesn't mean they're automatically right- what's RIGHT should dictate what makes the rules. Just the same, what's right should dictate what rules there aren't. I'm not so sure allowing- and infact, WELCOMING- known cheaters to be here is the right thing to do in any sense.
| FlaminGunz wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 04:20 |
I personally hate what 0x90 has done to Renegade as i am a mod in a few plavces and have to deal with my fair share of cheaters. So dw im not going to call you out for being a nerd. You may know that im doing a fair bit around Renegade and i do care alot about it. But banning him for renforums, isnto going to solve the problem. His cheats still exist and your banning a person from a forum for really no good reason.
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That's good to know. And, as I said numerous times, there are plenty of reasons. The only semi-decent argument I've seen to keep 0x90 here is that if we ban him on a "Fuck you" basis, that he might get pissed and make MORE cheats. The thing is, he makes cheats anyways- he has not stopped, and obviously never will.
It'd be pretty hopeless if we COULDN'T do anything to stop him, but there is- it's called keeping him out of any form of communication with this community to stop the spread of his cheats, and to make an anti-cheat that he has no involvement with so he can't know how to get around it easily.
And maybe, just maybe, he'll feel unwelcome enough to actually say sorry and stop making cheats like a little twat. I'd rather that, than some overly pessimistic view.
| FlaminGunz wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 04:20 |
"The difference is that no one gives a shit if he has a rabbit since it affects nobody". yes ofc thats true, but it doesnt help you. His cheats have affected renegade, not his precense here (no matter how fleeting that presence is). As i said before, banning him doesnt actually solve anything..
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But his lack of presence here could affect him, which could affect his cheat making. As I've said before, it's better than keeping him here.
| FlaminGunz wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 04:20 |
I respect the moderators decision on this case. Thats what i allueded to last post in that wherever i play/forum visit, il respect the mods.
Doesnt really matter to this point ofc lol 
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Respect is fine, but to never go against someone simply because they enforce the rules is ridiculous, and can never help anything.
| FlaminGunz wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 04:20 |
and for the record, i dont give a shit who uses building bars. Go for it. Its an advantage, but not in the class of cheating. If you use it to just help your game out, good for you. If you think someone will beat you because of building bars - maybe its not just that and you should take some rene-lessons.
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I semi-agree, but a cheat's a cheat. It's definitely an advantage.
| FlaminGunz wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 04:20 |
But i didnt see exactly what Raptor posted. If he did break the rules as gozy suggested. Contarry to 0x90 he did specifically break the rules here and should be penalised. gg
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see, here's the thing (and why I'm even making a big deal here)
People are getting banned for the whole building bars thing. Even posting a screenshot of it will have your PM rights disabled. It's a little ridiculous, but somewhat understandable- cheats really destroy Renegade, right? And it's best to not have people be welcome here, if they cheat, and it's also good to not give them the ability to spread those cheats.
...yet 0x90, a known cheat maker who is pretty much entirely responsible for the downfall of the competitive Renegade scene, is welcome here, with open arms.
"But banning him doesn't get rid of the cheats! It's hopeless!"
Banning RSF Raptor won't get rid of his building bars either. If people want it, they can still seek it out. Renegade is such a small community that by now EVERYONE KNOWS about building bars.
It's the same fucking thing as banning 0x90, but yet 0x90 is not banned.
Not banning him on the grounds that he hasn't explicitly broken any rules is understandable... if he never actually did anything else, that is. He is not an innocent man (and I use the term "man" very lightly) in any sense of the word, and has done nothing but shit up the Renegade community.
To not ban him because he hasn't explicitly broken rules despite the fact that he is responsible for ruining a portion of an already small community is... well, it's fucking cowardly. There's no other way to put it- to back down just because "OH NO HE MIGHT MAKE MORE CHEATS" is stupid. He's obviously already putting a ton of effort into cracking anti-cheats, so y'know, I actually would prefer he DID try harder. Make his life that much more fucking miserable, so he focuses his full attention until he snaps.
Furthermore, I really have to say that it's hypocritical to keep RSF Raptor banned but keep 0x90 here. I know that people aren't getting banned for just "breaking the rules"- those rules were put in place for a reason. So instead of arguing against the rule, I'll argue against the reason for the existence of the rules.
The reasoning to banning people who have building bars (and may distribute them, knowingly or unknowingly) is so that it doesn't get around. Right? Right.
Now let's sidetrack for a second here- we all know 0x90 isn't directly releasing his cheats here. But he's obviously releasing them elsewhere, and is infact, the one WORKING on them. And people are obviously still getting ahold of said cheats. Even people who post HERE can very well get them, just through some simple searching. BUT, because 0x90 isn't releasing the cheats HERE, he isn't breaking the rule (just, y'know, directly breaking the whole reason behind the rule- he's distributing the cheats, just not here). Banning him here wouldn't change a thing, etc- he'd still be releasing them.
The same exact thing can be said about building bars. Banning them from here won't change a damn thing- they will still get around, they will still be released, and there will still be people intent on releasing them.
The only difference between banning people for building bars and banning 0x90 for his twattery is that the former simply release them here.
And then we go back to the whole "It's a rule" thing. It's a RULE to not release cheats on here- but why? Why does the rule exist? Simple, because releasing them on here makes it so people have more access to them. Making it a "rule" is simply a way of saying "Hey, dickwad, don't do this shit, we don't like it".
But what if someone were to get around those rules, yet still go against the reason as to why that rule exists? What then? Do we allow them to continue, despite the clear fact that they are more damaging than someone who simply breaks the rule?
What then?
TL;DR: Pick a side, Goztow and co. Ban people who want to distribute cheats, or allow them because banning them doesn't stop the cheating anyways?
Toggle Spoiler| Scrin wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 13:22 |
| cAmpa wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 12:45 |
Scrin, stop pming people to get the building bars.
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FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!   
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