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Mon, 17 May 2010 01:29

GEORGE ZIMMER
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snpr1101 wrote on Mon, 17 May 2010 00:59

What will banning the guy actually achieve? Will it stop him from making cheats if he so desires? - Of course not.

Nope, but making him unwelcome on every corner of the Renegade community could prove eventful. I don't see why we have to allow someone who is obviously harmful to this community.

snpr1101 wrote on Mon, 17 May 2010 00:59

Have the people of Renegade forums suddenly turned into internet white knites; up in arms because someone breached a holy moral commandment - thou shalt not maketh or cheat?

Because that's totally what's happening, right?

Yeah, no. What's happening is that Spoony (and I, and anyone else who has a sane mind) thinks it's best to not welcome 0x90 in ANY corner of the Renegade community. He's done nothing but HARM it.

snpr1101 wrote on Mon, 17 May 2010 00:59

As soon as he's banned, will you all be able to sleep at night because your mind is no longer in turmoil thinking about how wrong it is not to ban him?

Stop with the retarded ad hominem. It gets old after the first time.

But yes, if you're so curious, it'd sure as hell make things MUCH nicer around here if 0x90 was that much more unwelcome.

snpr1101 wrote on Mon, 17 May 2010 00:59

If we're so anal about banning those who have associated themselves with cheats, it'd be hypocrisy not to go ahead and ban everyone who has cheated / made them / associated in some way with them in the past.

Justice isn't that simple. If every person was convicted the same way for similar crimes, it's no longer justice- it's just reaction.

snpr1101 wrote on Mon, 17 May 2010 00:59

If that doesn't change your mind, consider letting him stay on the condition he codes something useful for Renegade. A contribution to Anti-Cheats for example.

So uh, I dunno if I'm the only one to point this out, but why the hell would it be a good idea to give someone who makes cheats to be in control of an anti cheat?

And no, "the FBI hires hackers to fight hackers, so there!" is not a valid argument.

snpr1101 wrote on Mon, 17 May 2010 00:59

Then again, would it be unreasonable to ask if he would actually bother putting a considerable amount of effort and time into creating an ati-cheat or try and justify himself for the sake of belonging to a forum?

Considering the amount of damage he's done to the community... I'd say no, it's not unreasonable whatsoever. He has to redeem himself somehow, but he obviously has no intention to stop making cheats (which is the only way to redeem himself).

snpr1101 wrote on Mon, 17 May 2010 00:59

I suppose it depends on how important this forum is to him. It would be a greater loss to those who still play renegade to ban the guy; lose an opportunity to make C&C Ren a better experience for all.

Yeah, no. See above. It'd be utterly stupid to let a guy who makes cheats to know the inner workings of something that FIGHTS cheats.

Once again, let me try and make you guys understand- it's not just blind "HURF DURF, LETS BAN THIS GUY CUZ I DON'T LIKE HIM". Banning him serves a purpose, moreso than banning anyone else- it's a way of saying "Fuck you, you're not wanted here."

Unless, he really IS wanted here... in which case, I've pretty much lost all hope in the Renegade community. I don't think I have to explain why.

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