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Spoony wrote on Sat, 10 April 2010 00:29

do you think you have god to thank for your life, for example?


Well, since I believe that God created life, then yes, I believe I wouldn't be alive without him.

Spoony wrote on Sat, 10 April 2010 00:29

see re: god has time to turn lot's wife into a pillar of salt (wtf? plenty of god's punishments are creatively vicious, but that one's just weird) just because she looked behind her.


That isn't proof that he had room and initiative to record other acts he condemns.

Spoony wrote on Sat, 10 April 2010 00:29

so after god and the angels save him, don't you think god ought to say hang on lot, i got you out of there because you were the only good man in the city, now i find you throwing defenceless girls at a mob of rapists so the men will survive?


So thinking of doing the act is just as bad as committing it?
If you're so mad at someone you want to murder them, should you be arrested for attempted murder?

Spoony wrote on Sat, 10 April 2010 00:29

give me a complete description of hell, please.
i.e. tell me everything you 'know' about it.


We know what the Bible tells us.

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Spoony wrote on Sat, 10 April 2010 00:29

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Yes, provided it is a jail term.
The Spiritual jail won't have terms, though...

why?


After Judgement, there's only 2 places to go, Heaven or Hell. Whichever you go to, you stay in.
Thta's how he designed it.

Spoony wrote on Sat, 10 April 2010 00:29

plus the other example i mentioned (i.e. children can't enter the kingdom of god if their parents were not married. it's hardly the kid's fault, is it?).


I've never heard this one to be honest. Is it a Biblical verse?

Spoony wrote on Sat, 10 April 2010 00:29

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Well, what about the rock layers where literally thousands of fossils are all in the same area, as if they had all died at once, or created at once?

Exactly... what about them? If you're trying to vindicate noah's flood, that wouldn't vindicate the rest of genesis... creation is what i was asking about.


Read the bold...

Spoony wrote on Sat, 10 April 2010 00:29

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Or,
"When the carbon-14 dating method is "correctly" calibrated, and 25-thousand radiocarbon dates are graphed, the result shows evidence of a great peak of deaths about 4-thousand years ago."

even more vague


I don't see how this is vague.
Although it concerns the flood and not creation.

Spoony wrote on Sat, 10 April 2010 00:29

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Or,
"Thousands and millions of fish fossils which retain all the body parts indicating very rapid burial. Under normal conditions, fish do not fossilize. Dead fish are torn apart by scavengers and disintegrated by bacteria. There are the existence of fossils with soft tissue like jellyfish and sponges. There are the preservation of animal tracts, fish odors, amino acids, proteins, epidermal bark in plants, cell details, chlorophyll, etc."

fish were killed in the flood? first time i've heard that from someone who actually believes in it.


I sincerely doubt all fish can survive in every type of water at any depth...

Spoony wrote on Sat, 10 April 2010 00:29

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No, you would need faith but not more faith.
Still, I'm not the authority on faith and measurement, so I guess faith can be considered measurable.
But that's not how I view it, because then the question remains of how much is enough? What amount of faith just doesn't cut it?

it's a stupid question about an extremely stupid subject, really, isn't it?


Factually, no.
But you're entitled to your own opinion, even if it's about a question you originally asked...

Spoony wrote on Sat, 10 April 2010 00:29

you said the danger that you need "saving" from is hell.
two questions.
1: who created hell, and who is responsible for deciding whether we go there?
2: who is telling us about this punishment?


1&2) God
Which is my point.

Spoony wrote on Sat, 10 April 2010 00:29

Well, I can easily call that ridiculous, but on what basis do you call it ridiculous? in the bible, natural disasters like earthquakes and plagues are always because god's pissed at something. when did god announce he was not going to do that anymore?


New Testament?
When Jesus established his church and ascended to Heaven, God's direct influence ceased and won't return until the second coming.

Spoony wrote on Sat, 10 April 2010 00:29

this just brings me back to my earlier point. there are differing views, and you don't seem entirely clear yourself... so couldn't the "revelation" have been made a bit more clear?


It could if he provided an explicit list of OT rules to remain and OT rules to replace or do away with.
That's about the only way.

Starbuzzz wrote on Sun, 11 April 2010 01:07

all gods are proved or disproved on the basis of probability. What is the probability of Zeus being true? None right now though it was 100% back in ancient times. The same logic is applied for all the gods today, including the christian god. So the existence of the christian god is highly improbable along with the existence of allah or the mormon god though their followers claim otherwise.


Isn't the probability always 50-50? The diety either exists or doesn't.
The only thing that can sway it is proof toward either, of which there is none.


I cannot imagine how the clockwork of the universe can exist without a clockmaker. ~Voltaire
 
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