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Re: Renforums vs Jelly results [message #418594 is a reply to message #418586] Tue, 26 January 2010 22:15 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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HaTe wrote on Tue, 26 January 2010 21:26

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and you acted arrogantly and unpleasantly in all of them...

I like how you don't have any logs to back this up, you are clearly mistaking me for someone else.[/quote
will come back to this.

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lol, where the HELL are you getting this from? don't just make stuff up, it does more harm to your case than you think.[/quote]
So you would blame yourself? Doubtful in all meanings of the word.

that is not the only other option.

here's what you originally said:
"One main reason is that i know that if something went wrong, Spoony would immediately target the players he dislikes first."

anyone who knows anything about me could point out that i don't make excuses for losing, nor handle losing badly at all, so long as the winner played fairly. i'm also not so illogical as to attach blame purely based on an separate dislike.

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i don't have logs, sorry, but every time i've seen you in game you tried to start flaming some other player for no reason at all... usually trying to round it off by the whole "1v1?" crap.

CLEARLY you are mistaking me for someone else, as i ask for 1v1s only against my ren buddies, never in an argument, or to prove something. You really don't know me at all Spoony.

here's what i said i'd come back to. you said i have no logs? perhaps... but here's a specific example. i distinctly remember game on Under, i think it was in exodus server. i was on gdi. you were flaming some guy and eventually challenged him to a 1v1. i thought you were freaking out, but i do also recall interjecting with my opinion that 1v1s are not so worthless as some people in the server asserted.

am i making that particular instance up, then? let me elaborate. we also pm'd each other asking who the other was.

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You don't mind when no1 joins your side

correct

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yet you like to be proven wrong, and being proven right?

yes, for different reasons though.

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In other words, you get enjoyment out of every argument you go into? Interesting.

well, it's better than being angry when proven wrong, and participating in debates despite the fact you hate them...

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the amusing thing is when people get so angry at losing that they pretend it never happened. you occasionally get it in renegade, and you get it ALL THE TIME in forum debates.

Once again implying that it is amusing to agrue, and that you like to get people angry...so much for helping the cause i suppose.

i didn't say it was amusing to debate, i said it was amusing when people behave as pathetically as e.g. you did in the pointsfix debate, although you are by no means the only one. i also did not intentionally try to make you angry... you got angry all by yourself.

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i wasn't associating you with them; simply making a list of people who were the top contenders for not wanting to play if spoony was in charge.

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well, who? you, loki and nunega? none of which are a great loss tbh

You put us all together, as if all in an anti-spoony club together, when we do not talk at all. Just clearing that up.

i did not say you are in an anti-spoony club, or associated with each other at all. i will say, however, that for all three of you, your reasons for despising me are equally feeble.

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You lost me. So you like to be proven wrong in debates, and you like to be proven right in debates, yet you don't debate for debating sake?

Correct.

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I don't see how you getting all defensive, and attacking others is a "relevant" debate.

i suppose it wouldn't be. thankfully that isn't what happened at all, so your post isn't relevant either.

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The fact that you led the renforums team, and they congratulated you on a job well done, and the fact that you thought that it wasn't cleared up enough makes me think you are the one insecure here.

go back and read the post of TD's i was originally replying to. there's nothing insecure in that. i didn't particularly feel i needed to stick up for my own leadership, but i sure was going to stick up for my team's organisation. i think it's a point that needed to be made. i've heard over and over again the kind of nonsense TD spouted, usually from clanwars players. i refuted it every time i heard it.

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It's like you were begging people to see that you were a big aspect in the win.....

i don't particularly care whether anybody sees that.

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I'm beginning to wonder if you can read properly or not. LEAVING AN ARGUMENT BECAUSE OF A LOST CAUSE, IS NOT LOSING an argument. There is no defined winner or loser in an "argument" like we had, which i still personally don't see as an argument

seeing as how you were proven wrong again and again and again and again (by not just me), and you couldn't refute what your opponents were saying, it certainly was a lost cause for you. pretty weird to say you didn't lose, though.

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Read the topic again, i simply posted that i agree with you in most cases, that simply wasn't enough for you, so you turned against me.

i think you're the one who needs to read the topic again, buddy. you posted a huge list of entirely wrong statements, and me and a couple of others pointed that out. then you started freaking out.

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Seriously, are you that insecure that when one person says they don't agree with you fully, you feel the need to attack them?

No?

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I'm much like you in that i don't mind being proven wrong, as long as the person proving me wrong isn't making a fool out of me as well.

you made a fool out of yourself, champ. like i said at the time, there's no shame at all in admitting you were wrong about something, even if you were wrong as categorically and as often as you were in that thread. the shame comes when you try to pretend it never happened, or act like your opponent did something wrong just because he outwitted you.

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but you have seemed to never get over it since then.

... interesting, since you're the one who keeps posting in random threads trying to attack me (despite the fact i've done no wrong to you), not the other way around.

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secondly i did not say it was solely the fact i led the team that we won. i said you need two main things to win comm matches: good strategy (that's me), AND a team who flawlessly carries out the strategy (that was everyone else). thus it's totally wrong of you to act like i was saying it was all me. i've been very clear about my praise for everyone on my team, which was genuine.

So in other words, it was 50% you, 50% the other 11 or so people? I wasn't there, so it very well could have been, just sounds to me like it was more of a team effort, than a win because the commander was good. I very much think that there is more to winning comm matches than just strategy, and a team that carries it out, like adapting, skills, etc, etc? Or am i alone on that one?

yes, but individual skill is much less important than the other two.

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the original pointsfix debate, the one in which you started your furious renerage against me despite me doing nothing wrong to you, was quite peaceful until you started bawling like a baby at being wrong


I lol'd. if your memory is that bad...well, just re read the topic, i was the one trying to keep the points fix debate to a minimum, before being attacked by you.

well, you didn't want to turn the thread into a pointsfix debate at all, but you weren't attacked.

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it does not automatically follow that the opponent did something unfair in the process,

Unfair in an argument on a forums for an 8 year old game? Wasn't aware that there were laid out rules to our argument, or that either of us broke any of them.

then i'd love to know why you've spent months and months in tears at the thought that i somehow did something terribly wrong in the pointsfix debate.

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but there is a need to repudiate what TD and rcmorr said.

The need for you to take more credit, and to attempt to make them look foolish, or the need for joy in your life?

take more credit? don't really care
make them look foolish? redundant
need for joy in my life? ummmmmmmmmm no
stick up for my team, and re-assert the superb performance of my guys in terms of teamplay? and re-assert my long-held view that organisation trumps individual skill (which i've pointed out many many many times before)? yeah that'd be it.

i would think it quite odd that that ^^ would offend you, but then you seem to get offended really easily, for no reason at all... look at your current renerage towards me. i've certainly done you no wrong.

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