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Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #409288 is a reply to message #409269] Wed, 04 November 2009 02:00 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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tanzying wrote on Tue, 03 November 2009 23:14


Perhaps. But it is you, not them, who wants a change in the status quo. If you care so much about this a00 name issue, the onus is on you to go out of your way to engage them.

There are three outcomes to this. Which one do you really want?

1. You decide you have had enough of your opponents' treatment and decide not to care anymore. The a00 names stay with their owner because no one cares anymore.

2. You prove to everyone logically that jelly is being unreasonable in giving the names up, countering every attack launched at you on the way. The a00 names stay with their owner because you have soured relationships too much for them to even consider it.

3. You make an honest, sincere attempt to rebuild ties, persevering in spite of all provocations, calming your opponents to the point where they are again willing to listen to reason. Then, you bring back your logical reasoning, albeit with none of the scathing, sarcastic phrases, and eventually manage to get jelly to give up the names, or at least compromise on the matter.


The current outcome seems to be no. 2. But hey, the future can yet be changed with effort.

And if you happen to be hoping for no. 4, where:

4. You prove to everyone logically that jelly is being unreasonable in giving the names up. Your opponents suddenly have an epiphany where they realize that they have been unreasonable, publicly admit it and apologize to you, and give up the names, just as you think they should have done all along.

...it only requires a little realism and pragmatism to see why this is a bit too much to hope for.




I happen to agree with tanzying on most of what he has been saying. My interpretation of what he has been saying can be summarised as the following:
It doesn't matter that you're right (and you are right), and you've proved your point. They're the guys with the upper hand, so try not to piss them off. What would you prefer, acknowledgement that you're right, or the actual nicknames?
While getting both should not be too much to ask for, it seems unlikely to happen.
However, tanzying seems to be saying this because he believes that if you change tactics now, there is a chance you'll get the nicks. I seriously doubt this, and I think that tanzying is either naive to believe that, or just really hopefull.


Having said this, tanzying has not realised that there is a 5th option, or cared not to mention it.
This being that someone gets awfully pissed off with the boring pointless debating, knows that Spoony is right and decides to take matters into there own hands.
There are a number of ways to remove the Jelly servers from the top of the list, but they are all dirty tactics.
There are several people capable of doing this, and quite a few of them are actually in the TT group.
I think Jelly should remember this when he tells us all to fuck off, and watch his mouth.
It's extremely annoying to witness this injustice, being fully capable of changing the situation, but sitting on your hands because you do not wish to sink to that level.
To be fair it would probably result in server warfare if it went ahead, but still, it wouldn't hurt for Jelly to be civil at least and bare this in mind when he runs his mouth.

I think it's shown a great amount of patience and depth of character from the people capable of doing this, to sit on there hands and not follow through.



 
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