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Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared [message #382569 is a reply to message #382566]

Sat, 25 April 2009 11:48

Pyr0man1c
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andr3w282 wrote on Sat, 25 April 2009 13:40

LOL i appreciate the message in your signature, if you really weren't so fucking ignorant you'd realize thats an authorization system build into brenbot for moderators and admin rofl. You're such a joke its starting to bore me

Lol I bet he stayed in till he got kicked...

"Sapere Aude- Dare to be wise"

AmunRa

and its all this "drama" that will one day end renegade...

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v00d00

A question regarding RenGuard. Because it's a client/server application, what will stop the legions of people who cheat, and can crack apps, from reverse engineering it down to it's core protocol / encryption (which I'll assume it has), and duplicating it, so that they have their own client which responds to the server with all the correct info for an unpatched Renegade, but in fact is patched.

Personally, I think you should write a server-side only anti-cheat, which hooks the networking routines in Renegade. From there, using either the help of your staff who worked on creating Renegade, or from knowledge aquired while working with the network code in Renegade, create a system to monitor hit locations (did they REALLY hit, based on calculations by the anti-cheat (stopping BH)), how much damage are they claiming, vs how much damage their currently selected weapon really does, etc.

Then, add rate-of-fire checking, complete w/ lag tolerance (since lagged client will of course, upon delag, seem to fire faster, etc), and option to simply "edit" the incoming packets, to filter out the cheat (reduce damage, stop bullets, etc), or kick-ban the cheater (admins decision, based on anti cheat config).

Is it just me, or does that make more sense?

The flaw to Renegade of course, which is the core to the cheats, is that unlike most other games, Renegade lets the CLIENT decide hit locations, damage, RoF, etc. Vs others which say, "ok, the client fired their pistol along this trajectory. Did they hit something? How much damage did they do to that target if so. Report findings to clients".

My only concern, is that there will be alot more teams of people ripping apart the hard work of your small team, and undoing what you have done. Can you keep up writing fixes / completely rewriting the protocol to counter them once they have created their OWN complete anti-RenGuard client? If not, consider the server-side only method, and solve it once and for all, with the only version changes being to fix bugs, and not complete rewrites which will really piss admins off (if it takes this long for the initial, how long after the cheaters create their own client to counter it will your rewrite take to do?).

- v00d00

ELiT3FLyR

ill say this again to all the TT people actually working on the patch. all you have to do is fix the bugs in the game. This is your role. dont get involved in a pointfix debate that you can never win (spoony has never managed to win one and hes a decent player) nor bother suggesting solutions for the faults in pointfix. just fix the damn bugs and you will all be remmebered as renegade heroes.

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		Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: Scrin on Thu, 23 April 2009 21:27
		Re: Suggestion + Question By: Xpert on Thu, 23 April 2009 21:34
		Re: Suggestion + Question By: Scrin on Thu, 23 April 2009 21:36
		Re: Suggestion + Question By: dr3w2 on Thu, 23 April 2009 21:53
		Re: Suggestion + Question By: Scrin on Thu, 23 April 2009 22:10
		Re: Suggestion + Question By: luv2pb on Thu, 23 April 2009 22:11
		Re: Suggestion + Question By: John McCain on Thu, 23 April 2009 22:12
		Re: Suggestion + Question By: Scrin on Thu, 23 April 2009 22:14
		Re: Suggestion + Question By: dr3w2 on Thu, 23 April 2009 22:13
		Re: Suggestion + Question By: Scrin on Thu, 23 April 2009 22:18
		Re: Suggestion + Question By: luv2pb on Thu, 23 April 2009 22:22
		Re: Suggestion + Question By: Canadacdn on Fri, 24 April 2009 15:53
		Re: Suggestion + Question By: slosha on Sat, 25 April 2009 09:39
		Re: Suggestion + Question By: dr3w2 on Sat, 25 April 2009 09:49
		Re: Suggestion + Question By: nikki6ixx on Thu, 23 April 2009 22:21
		Re: Suggestion + Question By: dr3w2 on Thu, 23 April 2009 22:22
		Re: Suggestion + Question By: Scrin on Thu, 23 April 2009 22:28
		Re: Suggestion + Question By: dr3w2 on Thu, 23 April 2009 22:29
		Re: Suggestion + Question By: nikki6ixx on Thu, 23 April 2009 22:35
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: Goztow on Thu, 23 April 2009 23:25
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: Scrin on Thu, 23 April 2009 23:35
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: luv2pb on Thu, 23 April 2009 23:40
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: dr3w2 on Fri, 24 April 2009 00:05
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: dr3w2 on Thu, 23 April 2009 23:38
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: Scrin on Thu, 23 April 2009 23:41
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: dr3w2 on Thu, 23 April 2009 23:43
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: Scrin on Thu, 23 April 2009 23:54
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: Scrin on Fri, 24 April 2009 00:04
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: Goztow on Thu, 23 April 2009 23:45
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: dr3w2 on Thu, 23 April 2009 23:47
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: Scrin on Fri, 24 April 2009 00:02
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: dr3w2 on Thu, 23 April 2009 23:57
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: Scrin on Fri, 24 April 2009 00:00
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: raven on Fri, 24 April 2009 00:02
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: raven on Thu, 23 April 2009 23:58
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: Dethdeath on Fri, 24 April 2009 00:08
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: Goztow on Fri, 24 April 2009 00:16
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: luv2pb on Fri, 24 April 2009 00:31
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: Hex on Fri, 24 April 2009 00:46
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: CarrierII on Sat, 25 April 2009 10:16
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: Scrin on Sat, 25 April 2009 10:37
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: BlueThen on Sat, 25 April 2009 11:19
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: Scrin on Sat, 25 April 2009 11:21
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: Dover on Fri, 24 April 2009 23:03
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: Memphis on Sat, 25 April 2009 04:50
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: Dethdeath on Sat, 25 April 2009 07:33
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: BlueThen on Sat, 25 April 2009 09:12
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: dr3w2 on Sat, 25 April 2009 10:48
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: nikki6ixx on Sat, 25 April 2009 10:51
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: mrÃ£Ã§Ä·z on Sat, 25 April 2009 11:06
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: Muad Dib15 on Sat, 25 April 2009 11:10
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: Scrin on Sat, 25 April 2009 11:12
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: dr3w2 on Sat, 25 April 2009 11:21
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: Scrin on Sat, 25 April 2009 11:25
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: reborn on Mon, 27 April 2009 04:41
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: dr3w2 on Sat, 25 April 2009 11:23
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: dr3w2 on Sat, 25 April 2009 11:35
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: Scrin on Sat, 25 April 2009 11:38
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: jnz on Sat, 25 April 2009 11:41
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: ErroR on Sun, 26 April 2009 13:13
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: futura83 on Sun, 26 April 2009 16:51
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: dr3w2 on Sat, 25 April 2009 11:40
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: Pyr0man1c on Sat, 25 April 2009 11:48
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: CarrierII on Sat, 25 April 2009 12:18
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: dr3w2 on Sat, 25 April 2009 13:51
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: CarrierII on Sat, 25 April 2009 14:09
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: Dover on Sat, 25 April 2009 14:10
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: Dover on Sat, 25 April 2009 13:56
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: dr3w2 on Sat, 25 April 2009 16:22
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: Dover on Sat, 25 April 2009 20:46
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: Ethenal on Sun, 26 April 2009 07:51
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: nikki6ixx on Sun, 26 April 2009 11:06
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: mrÃ£Ã§Ä·z on Sun, 26 April 2009 11:21
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: Ma1kel on Sun, 26 April 2009 15:41
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: dr3w2 on Sun, 26 April 2009 17:36
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: dr3w2 on Sun, 26 April 2009 17:32
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: null.var on Mon, 27 April 2009 04:26
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: Goztow on Mon, 27 April 2009 04:37
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: Dover on Mon, 27 April 2009 04:51
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: null.var on Mon, 27 April 2009 05:06
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: Dover on Mon, 27 April 2009 08:51
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: Goztow on Mon, 27 April 2009 05:11
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: null.var on Mon, 27 April 2009 05:13
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: Scrin on Mon, 27 April 2009 05:16
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: dr3w2 on Mon, 27 April 2009 08:37
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: jnz on Mon, 27 April 2009 09:06
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: F1r3st0rm on Mon, 27 April 2009 11:51
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: luv2pb on Mon, 27 April 2009 12:03
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: Muad Dib15 on Mon, 27 April 2009 17:05
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: Dethdeath on Tue, 28 April 2009 06:44
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: Muad Dib15 on Tue, 28 April 2009 16:51
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: Goztow on Tue, 28 April 2009 23:28
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: Dover on Tue, 28 April 2009 23:32
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: rrutk on Wed, 29 April 2009 06:59
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: Dover on Wed, 29 April 2009 07:17
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: rrutk on Wed, 29 April 2009 08:30
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: Dover on Wed, 29 April 2009 10:28
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: reborn on Wed, 29 April 2009 11:12
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: dr3w2 on Wed, 29 April 2009 12:25
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: Dover on Wed, 29 April 2009 12:28
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: Dover on Wed, 29 April 2009 11:31
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: reborn on Wed, 29 April 2009 11:37
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: dr3w2 on Wed, 29 April 2009 12:32
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: YazooGang on Wed, 29 April 2009 15:01
		Re: Renegade IRC overlay discussion - cleared By: _SSnipe_ on Wed, 29 April 2009 23:20

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