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Sun, 13 July 2008 02:56

Jellybe4n
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jonwil wrote on Sun, 13 July 2008 05:36

What I say to any server owner (or player) who complains about the pointsfix (on a marathon server or otherwise) is to not complain unless you have actually PLAYED a game with the pointsfix and seen for themselves what the fix actually does (and e.g. what strategies are available to use when in a mid-game marathon server with no refinery left)

I have played on one thanks, since the day BI made made it available. We've run it as long as anyone. And I understand how to play the game just fine.

I'd still like the choice (key word here) of whether I want to install it on a particular server. I don't want a group of people dictating that it will be installed, regardless of what myself, and the server regulars want.

After all, logical doesn't always make things more fun, making things fair doesn't always make things fun. The purists of the game will argue until they drop dead that it makes the game more fun, and for them it may well do that, and they'll argue reputably with anyone who has their own opinion, on what makes the game fun for them. Basically, all the logic and fairness in the world could be implemented in this fix, that isn't the issue though for me, what players find fun, is what matters to me as a server owner.

Like I said, I am all for the fix, I prefer it, on the right server. I just want the option when I install, that's all. If the fix is so unbelievably good you should have some faith in it, and players will make their way to a points fix server, or they will stay away, and that will tell you whether the fix is wanted or not.

Just give server owners the choice, that's all I want, that's all I'm asking. Then the players too have a choice, and the number of players that join a points fix / non-points fix server will give you your answer as to whether it makes the game more fun or not.

If after reading this all I get back is, "bring us an argument as to why the fix is bad" type comment, then you clearly haven't read what I'm saying. I'm not debating the merits of the fix. I'm asking for an option, and the players who still log on everyday will make the decision as regards what makes the game fun(not fair or logical) for them, and not sitting here with a quote tree arguing between 15 people. Let the 600 players decide who log on to Renegade everyday decide what makes the game fun for them, and the only way to do that is give the server owners the option of whether to install the fix.

If you have so much faith in the fix, and think it will make the game so much better, then I see no reason why you wouldn't give us the option.

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