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Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) [message #224712 is a reply to message #224561]

Thu, 05 October 2006 06:16

m1a1_abrams
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In my opinion, this is why Blazer's common sense approach to moderating doesn't work. If there aren't any rules of conduct laid down and you just rely on moderators' common sense to decide when people have gone too far, you'll always have a feeling of injustice. By it's own definition, common sense can't be strictly defined, so will mean different things to different people. One person will think that someone has done enough to be banned or to take a vote on it, whereas another will not. Ultimately the decision hinges on the personal taste and whimsy of the moderator. If that's the way you choose to run the forums, then you have the right to do so, but you can't really call it a fair system.

I get the feeling that it matters to the admins here to be seen as fair, in which case you need to be seen to apply the same rules to everyone. A good start would be having a visible set of rules pertaining to conduct. Don't get me wrong though, I think the admins try hard to treat everyone the same, but it's tough to see this in practice, when the rules effectively exist only inside your head. The rules could be as strict or lenient as you like, as long as there is a reason listed somewhere for why Aircraftkiller or anyone else is doing something wrong. As it stands, as much as I disagree with the stuff he's done in the past, I can't see a reason why he should be banned. The only reason would be on moral grounds, I guess, but again, you don't enforce rules of conduct... so what rule is he breaking? I guess you could say that because it's been put up for a vote, he should be banned simply because people might want him to be... but then it's an arbitrary decision on the part of Crimson to open the poll in the first place. Will it now be a rule that anyone can open a poll to get someone else banned, and then have the will of the people enforced, or can only a moderator do it... in which case we return to the beginning because there are no clear-cut guidelines for what kind of conduct requires a poll opened.

I'm not gonna vote on this. I say draw up some definite example of what people can and cannot do, before punishing them for anything. This is not a personal attack on the admins, by the way. I realise it can be difficult to tell who's gunning for you and who isn't, in a situation like this, with that giant thread running.

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		A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Crimson on Wed, 04 October 2006 17:59
		Re: A sniff of democracy By: Matix on Wed, 04 October 2006 18:05
		Re: A sniff of democracy By: Crimson on Wed, 04 October 2006 18:07
		Re: A sniff of democracy By: Kamuix on Wed, 04 October 2006 18:08
		Re: A sniff of democracy By: Aircraftkiller on Wed, 04 October 2006 18:09
		Re: A sniff of democracy By: Matix on Wed, 04 October 2006 18:11
		Re: A sniff of democracy By: cheesesoda on Wed, 04 October 2006 18:12
		Re: A sniff of democracy By: Aircraftkiller on Wed, 04 October 2006 18:12
		Re: A sniff of democracy By: Coolrock on Wed, 04 October 2006 18:13
		Re: A sniff of democracy By: Matix on Wed, 04 October 2006 18:16
		Re: A sniff of democracy By: Kamuix on Wed, 04 October 2006 18:20
		Re: A sniff of democracy By: Kamuix on Wed, 04 October 2006 18:18
		Re: A sniff of democracy By: KIRBY-098 on Wed, 04 October 2006 18:27
		Re: A sniff of democracy By: Crimson on Wed, 04 October 2006 18:30
		Re: A sniff of democracy By: Deathgod on Sat, 07 October 2006 04:48
		Re: A sniff of democracy By: U927 on Sat, 07 October 2006 08:22
		Re: A sniff of democracy By: Renx on Wed, 04 October 2006 18:31
		Re: A sniff of democracy By: Aircraftkiller on Wed, 04 October 2006 18:32
		Re: A sniff of democracy By: KIRBY-098 on Wed, 04 October 2006 18:39
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Aircraftkiller on Wed, 04 October 2006 18:41
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Kamuix on Wed, 04 October 2006 18:44
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Matix on Wed, 04 October 2006 18:47
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Yoshimitsu on Wed, 04 October 2006 18:48
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Ryan3k on Wed, 04 October 2006 18:49
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: cheesesoda on Wed, 04 October 2006 19:07
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: msgtpain on Wed, 04 October 2006 19:18
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: cheesesoda on Wed, 04 October 2006 19:21
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Jaspah on Wed, 04 October 2006 19:17
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Kamuix on Wed, 04 October 2006 19:23
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Aircraftkiller on Wed, 04 October 2006 19:24
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Kamuix on Wed, 04 October 2006 19:27
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: msgtpain on Wed, 04 October 2006 19:24
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Aircraftkiller on Wed, 04 October 2006 19:28
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Coolrock on Wed, 04 October 2006 19:35
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: NukeIt15 on Wed, 04 October 2006 19:36
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Danchicken on Wed, 04 October 2006 19:49
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: AmunRa on Wed, 04 October 2006 19:49
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Aircraftkiller on Wed, 04 October 2006 19:52
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: AmunRa on Wed, 04 October 2006 20:22
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: xptek on Wed, 04 October 2006 19:54
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: KIRBY-098 on Wed, 04 October 2006 20:10
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: light on Wed, 04 October 2006 19:55
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: bigejoe14 on Wed, 04 October 2006 19:57
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: warranto on Wed, 04 October 2006 20:11
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Spoony on Thu, 05 October 2006 00:48
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: warranto on Thu, 05 October 2006 07:44
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Halo38 on Thu, 05 October 2006 05:23
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Kamuix on Wed, 04 October 2006 20:14
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Aircraftkiller on Wed, 04 October 2006 20:53
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: jschultz9 on Wed, 04 October 2006 21:40
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: thrash300 on Wed, 04 October 2006 22:23
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Spoony on Thu, 05 October 2006 00:50
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: warranto on Thu, 05 October 2006 09:19
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Blazea58 on Thu, 05 October 2006 02:54
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Sniper_De7 on Thu, 05 October 2006 03:19
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Ryu on Thu, 05 October 2006 03:36
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Crimson on Thu, 05 October 2006 03:35
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Sniper_De7 on Thu, 05 October 2006 04:04
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Ryan3k on Thu, 05 October 2006 05:36
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Spoony on Thu, 05 October 2006 11:21
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Crimson on Thu, 05 October 2006 04:14
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Sniper_De7 on Thu, 05 October 2006 04:26
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Crimson on Thu, 05 October 2006 04:45
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: PackHunter on Thu, 05 October 2006 04:55
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Crimson on Thu, 05 October 2006 05:19
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Crimson on Thu, 05 October 2006 05:37
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Ryan3k on Thu, 05 October 2006 05:46
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Crimson on Thu, 05 October 2006 05:48
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: m1a1_abrams on Thu, 05 October 2006 06:16
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: trooprm02 on Thu, 05 October 2006 07:03
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Dave Mason on Thu, 05 October 2006 08:57
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: snipefrag on Thu, 05 October 2006 09:04
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: fl00d3d on Thu, 05 October 2006 09:45
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Oblivion165 on Thu, 05 October 2006 10:13
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Aircraftkiller on Thu, 05 October 2006 10:25
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Oblivion165 on Thu, 05 October 2006 12:45
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: PackHunter on Thu, 05 October 2006 14:56
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: futura83 on Thu, 05 October 2006 15:05
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: warranto on Thu, 05 October 2006 10:42
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: RTsa on Thu, 05 October 2006 10:52
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: KIRBY-098 on Thu, 05 October 2006 10:54
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Blazer on Thu, 05 October 2006 11:01
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Aircraftkiller on Thu, 05 October 2006 11:10
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Jaspah on Thu, 05 October 2006 12:29
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Coolrock on Thu, 05 October 2006 12:43
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Aircraftkiller on Thu, 05 October 2006 13:05
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Yoshimitsu on Thu, 05 October 2006 13:19
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Jaspah on Thu, 05 October 2006 13:31
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: MexPirate on Thu, 05 October 2006 12:20
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Dave Anderson on Thu, 05 October 2006 12:22
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: jd422032101 on Thu, 05 October 2006 13:09
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Aircraftkiller on Thu, 05 October 2006 13:10
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Scythar on Thu, 05 October 2006 13:11
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: GoArmy44 on Thu, 05 October 2006 13:26
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Aircraftkiller on Thu, 05 October 2006 13:32
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Kamuix on Thu, 05 October 2006 13:53
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Coolrock on Thu, 05 October 2006 15:06
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: futura83 on Thu, 05 October 2006 15:07
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Matix on Thu, 05 October 2006 15:08
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: futura83 on Thu, 05 October 2006 15:09
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Coolrock on Thu, 05 October 2006 15:15
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: futura83 on Thu, 05 October 2006 15:17
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: cheesesoda on Thu, 05 October 2006 15:33
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Coolrock on Thu, 05 October 2006 15:42
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Mad Ivan on Thu, 05 October 2006 16:35
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Coolrock on Thu, 05 October 2006 16:40
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Mad Ivan on Fri, 06 October 2006 02:09
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: futura83 on Fri, 06 October 2006 04:26
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: cheesesoda on Fri, 06 October 2006 05:25
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Coolrock on Fri, 06 October 2006 06:32
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Mad Ivan on Fri, 06 October 2006 11:26
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: sleepyjo2 on Thu, 05 October 2006 17:39
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Berkut on Thu, 05 October 2006 17:41
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: AmunRa on Thu, 05 October 2006 18:20
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Berkut on Thu, 05 October 2006 18:40
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: sterps on Thu, 05 October 2006 18:13
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Spoony on Thu, 05 October 2006 19:13
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Crimson on Thu, 05 October 2006 19:18
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: sterps on Fri, 06 October 2006 00:26
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Spoony on Fri, 06 October 2006 00:43
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Crimson on Thu, 05 October 2006 19:14
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Aircraftkiller on Thu, 05 October 2006 20:25
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Crimson on Thu, 05 October 2006 22:24
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Aircraftkiller on Thu, 05 October 2006 22:56
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Coolrock on Thu, 05 October 2006 23:09
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Aircraftkiller on Thu, 05 October 2006 23:27
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Blazer on Thu, 05 October 2006 23:33
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Aircraftkiller on Thu, 05 October 2006 23:40
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Crimson on Thu, 05 October 2006 23:45
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: reborn on Fri, 06 October 2006 04:32
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Sniper_De7 on Fri, 06 October 2006 04:56
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: KIRBY-098 on Fri, 06 October 2006 06:40
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: cheesesoda on Fri, 06 October 2006 06:51
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: KIRBY-098 on Fri, 06 October 2006 07:15
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: cheesesoda on Fri, 06 October 2006 07:44
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: KIRBY-098 on Fri, 06 October 2006 07:52
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: cheesesoda on Fri, 06 October 2006 07:59
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: KIRBY-098 on Fri, 06 October 2006 08:05
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: cheesesoda on Fri, 06 October 2006 08:23
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: KIRBY-098 on Fri, 06 October 2006 08:02
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: cheesesoda on Fri, 06 October 2006 08:12
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: PackHunter on Fri, 06 October 2006 07:18
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Jecht on Fri, 06 October 2006 06:58
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: KIRBY-098 on Fri, 06 October 2006 08:23
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: warranto on Fri, 06 October 2006 08:23
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: KIRBY-098 on Fri, 06 October 2006 08:27
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: warranto on Fri, 06 October 2006 08:29
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: KIRBY-098 on Fri, 06 October 2006 08:34
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: warranto on Fri, 06 October 2006 08:45
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: cheesesoda on Fri, 06 October 2006 08:35
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Crimson on Fri, 06 October 2006 09:11
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Spoony on Fri, 06 October 2006 10:29
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Aircraftkiller on Fri, 06 October 2006 09:43
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: xptek on Fri, 06 October 2006 09:55
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: KIRBY-098 on Fri, 06 October 2006 09:51
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: warranto on Fri, 06 October 2006 09:52
		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Aircraftkiller on Fri, 06 October 2006 10:14
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		Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) By: Kamuix on Sat, 07 October 2006 15:36
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