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Re: Protests over a cartoon... wtf. [message #202052 is a reply to message #188804] Thu, 01 June 2006 06:39 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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I could care less how you call it...end of the day it's not full-fledged light


All you did was show me where it says the beam of "LIGHT" can't carry information. It's still light, just not one you can transport information along.

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Scientists have evidence for their theories, you've got 4 guys that heard a fantasy story and decided to write a book.


Heard? From a credible source. And that's only the main four books. What about all the others included who witnessed the things themselves?

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What I learn in school are either proven things, opinions or theories about what happened before our time...religion is only founded on one of those 3, just with no evidence.



Ok, we'll change the scope of things then.

Religion is founded on at least 2 of those things, then. There is no evidence for history text to state who did what (maybe that someone mentioned did exist, but not that it was them who did the act). You have to rely on what they were told by other sources of information. That, in itself, is less credible than the bible, as the majority of the New Testament is written by people who witnessed it themselves.

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That's only a part of it...I'm not going to rephrase Java's post for you.


Java's post has nothing to do with what I said, although it doesn't discount what was mentioned.

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First, it's possible, if you see it or not.

Second, I guess lightning is nothing but a God's anger...it was deemed that back then!



I'm not talking about what's possible, I'm talking about what's proven.

As for lightning being God's anger, that was Religion back then, but it was also wrong. Using what I said in a completely irrelevant context doesn't help your argument. I stated what science believed made it science, not that the belief itself was true. Turning that into an argument about the belief itself being true does nothing to assist your side.

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I could possibly come to the conclusion that there are things that are like the ones we call molecules myself.



Based on what, that evil thing called intuition? You have no proof that what he says is real, so you can't rely on evidence. Nor can you expect your "guess" to be the correct one.

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Too bad you don't know your own logic...there would be no primary creater if everything had to be created by someone else.

OK I'll explain it: It's not wrong, there's just no point in believing it.



Oh, I know my own logic, I was just waiting for you to say something like you did. As such: You are correct! There would be no primary creator if everything had to be created by someone else. So, where does it begin? It the universe has the ability to "always-exist", then the idea that a different being also "always-existing" could also be possible.

As for your second argument there, thank you for admitting it's not wrong. However,, it does not make it nonexistent. If the qualification of superfluous makes something wrong... see back to what I said about using the existence of molecules to explain things.

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There is a reason why some things are more realistic than others...once again, how close can you get to the 99.999%?


99.999% is too subjective to adequately answer. Besides, there is a reason Religion is called a "belief"

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I said we call it proof, because there is no such thing as 100% proof


So, you're willing to hold something that could be disproven, as a valid truth?

Gee, that sounds a lot like your argument against religion.
 
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