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Re: Protests over a cartoon... wtf. [message #201544 is a reply to message #188804] Tue, 30 May 2006 07:24 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
JohnDoe is currently offline  JohnDoe
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Guess what, Religion does.


Like what? That God exists? Well that's basically what religion means, so it's not a rule...everybody can start his own religion packed with utter nonsense and make it as unrefutable as any of the major ones.



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Except when, Philosophy has as much backing as science does as a means to explain things.


Philosophy can help science, but it won't prove stuff, just like religions won't...science however can.

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Of course God is being beyond what is required or sufficient. That doesn't prove one way or the other as to his existance. Using molecules to explain the makeup of something is just as superfluous.



What? How do you explain the makeup of the ozone layer for exemple without them?

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It's not poilte to change positions mid-argument, without announcing it, while still tying everything into the first argument.


I'm so sorry...I said it wrong the first time and corrected myself in the following 3 or 4 times, so I would have guessed my position was quite clear.

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Last I checked, the Universe is always changing. Going from a small concentration of matter, to a nearly-ever expanding thing. If it wasn't subject to the laws of physics, then physics would never be able to measure it, as the variables would not be constant.


The ingredients, not the Universe.

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You got me there. It's near impossible to explain something to someone who is ignorant of anything not told to him by someone else. (Oh wait, that almost sounds like a religion!)



Aren't you someone else?

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Exactly! Perhaps there is hope for you yet!.. For the most part, anyways.

You may have missed the reference,though, so I'll explain it for you.

There was no evidence to support them, yet they were held as Scientific truths! The idea of the world being flat, worked.. so it was used.

However, there is evidence fot pre-evolved solutions such as what was used back when the basic computers were used. They worked, so it was used, before evolving into the computers we know today, and before evolving into the computers of tomorrow.

Infact, most comercial products had a pre-evolved form, that changes into something better over time. Yet, there is more than enough evidece, as the product exists in the first place.


They were mis-labelled as scientific truths.

I don't know where you're going with your pre-evolved forms, but if there is evidence for them, then they are a serious possibility, if there is not (like with a flat earth or God), then believing in them is irrational.

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Then you should be able to prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt. Oh, and you can't refer to what some scientist said in some book. If Religion is restricted from using its text as "proof", then so is science. Both rely on the person reading to choose to believe the person or not, as there is no way of independantly verifying the item in question without relying on something outside your realm of control.


If I wanted and was smart enough, I could teach myself what I need to prove the existance of molecules...can you do the same with the religious text?


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