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Re: Protests over a cartoon... wtf. [message #201518 is a reply to message #188804] Tue, 30 May 2006 02:40 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
JohnDoe is currently offline  JohnDoe
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Way to miss the point. All you have to go on is what one scientist says, and is backed up by another. Guess what, Religion is the same way.


Guess what, scientists have to abide by certain laws, Religion's don't. Way to miss the point..

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Actually, we were talking philosophy. Remember this exchange?

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Have you ever studied in the field of philosophy? Every single book out there contradicts another one in some form or another, and this field is given much more credit than even some scientific fields.



So? They still need to abide by certain laws, which religious nonsense doesn't...everybody can say something and tell people that it's the truth, shown by the book of mormon.



I bring up philosophy, and you counter with that they need laws. THEN you switch your position and say they don't need laws, trying to pin me with changing the topic. Sorry, won't work.


Sorry, I must've read "science" instead of "philosophy" the first time...that doesn't change, however, that you have no reason to bring philosophy into this when we're talking about science vs religion.

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Who says God was "created" for a reason? And I appologise for not speaking up about your comment regarding God creating the universe being beyond what is required or sufficient. I didn't realize you were arguing only what was the easiest answer. Though some things are starting to make sense.


So you agree that God is superfluous?

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Fine, I'll explain it again...

You can not prove something DID occur, by saying that it CAN occur. Science has proven that life CAN begin through a chemical reaction, but it does not prove it DID happen back during the coalescence of the primordial ooze.


That's what I've been saying all along after I corrected myself...

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How is that a contradiction? Before the experiment, there wasn't any proof that it could have happened that way, now there is. The next step is proving that it did. It was proven that life can start from chemicals...how is that a contradiction?


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It proves how life can start out of the chemicals the world was made of, so unless you have another plausible way (that doesn't include magic), I'll believe that, thank you.


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Life has evolved through mutation and selection.

Life can start through chemical reactions which has been done in an experiment...I'll get more material tomorrow if you haven't heard of that before.



Do you see anything wrong with those statements?

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I think you mean "the most convenient explination". Here's a question for you: if the universe is not subject to the laws of physics (after all, it created itself - refer to my initial post relating to this point), why did it not start in a completed form? Why did it have to go though the stages of the big bang before it could even form?



The universe hasn't changed, it's still universal...just the ingredients, which are subject to the laws of physics, have.

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I have no reason to even begin to try to explain why or why not God may be the starting point. Ignoring the idea that all that compressed matter had to come from somewhere. Ignoring the idea that the universe was not always there (Remember that thing called the big bang, while on the topic?). And, ignoring that the universe runs in (as far as we can tell) a perfect format.



You've been arguing over the last few pages and all of a sudden you're too good to explain yourself? Haha...looks more like someone can't explain something.

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A method completely baed on assumptions for which we don't have any clues... you mean like:

Electricity, Light storing information, Transportation of matter through the air, etc.

Or a method that works, such as:

The Earth being flat, any other pre-evolved solution. Remember that just because it works, doesn't mean it's right, or the best.

Oh, and just something to point out, not necessarily related to this argument.


There was never any evidence supporting those pre-evolved solutions, so good job making an analogy that doesn't apply.

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Such as those scientists who argue that Global Warming is real, and those who argue it is not. Such as those scientists who argue that breaking the speed of light is impossible, and those who say it is possible. Such as scientists who state that Dinosaurs became extinct as a result of a meteorite/insert one of the numerous theories here.

Because there are two or more sides to this story, someone must be lying.


The existance of molecules isn't debatable...


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