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Re: Protests over a cartoon... wtf. [message #201455 is a reply to message #188804] Mon, 29 May 2006 13:24 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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You can measure molecules and "see" them through instuments...can you do that with any of your supernatural nonsense? Didn't think so...so much for "empty statement".



Wrong. You can trust that what the instrument is showing you is true. But you have no way of verifying that yourself. You have no ability to see it with the naked eye (even then, you have to assume there is nothing wrong with your vision), so you have to trust what someone else tells you is there, be that a scientist, or the microscope manufacturer.

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So? They still need to abide by certain laws, which religious nonsense doesn't...everybody can say something and tell people that it's the truth, shown by the book of mormon.



Tell that to Descarte, who attempted to decide whether or not we truly exist. There were no conventional "laws" in place there. Yet, his "experiment" is highly regarded, be it ultimately true or not.

With the idea of Philosophy still having to abide by certain rules, what about those who argue that God exists? The are all part of the same field, and by your definition, they follow those same rules. Therefore, by your definition, God must also exist.

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Tell me...why should God have a hand in it? It doesn't make any sense whatsoever. The whole idea of God was to explain things that people couldn't. If you think that there is a starting point, an unmoved mover, then give me one reason why that should be God instead of the universe itself. It's completely superfluous.



The whole idea about God was to explain things that people couldn't? Sure, people invoked God when there was something unexplained (even the laws of our contry do this with complete legal backing, but that aside) however that doesn't mean it was what God was "created" for. It's just what he is used (incorrectly) for.

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Oh that was directed at my first statement...I have no idea why you would say that then considering I corrected myself already.


Wrong, it was aimed at your last statement. Hence why I said contradiction AND HISTORY. Meaning everything that was stated leading up to the contradiction.

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No, but I'll go with the most plausible solution until a better emerges...you can go on and believe in your stuff, but live with it being irrational.



LOL, I think I'll stop arguing with you then. Obviously you have no ability to think outside conventional means, and just go with "what's best"... or should that be "what's best for what I believe". Convenient, isn't it.

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You're assuming that the same rules that apply to the surrounding, the universe, apply to the material things inside the universe, of which you have no clues and no reason to believe whatsoever. It's utterly far-fetched, whereas life starting through the chemicals of which the universe is made of has been proven to work and seems by far more plausible...


You have no reason to believe otherwise. And as you seem to enjoy stating, you have nothing but "intuition" to go on with the idea that the rules of the universe itself do not apply to what is in the universe.
 
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