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Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users [message #184355 is a reply to message #184339]

Sat, 31 December 2005 19:15

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Sniper_De7 wrote on Sat, 31 December 2005 17:26

ben5015se wrote on Sat, 31 December 2005 17:42

light wrote on Sat, 31 December 2005 16:36

I play in servers I mod/admin as much as possible. The others I try to know the hosts/admins. Failing that, I can play in other servers and show people that non-RG players don't all cheat.

its funny becouse its true, well ..there are a couple of non rg users that cheat, but iv only seen one person and that was on my cnr server..

but i bet there are more cheaters bypassing rengaurd then there are not using rengaurd

Dead wrong. I've seen at LEAST 5 cheaters on non-rg servers in the past week and they all didn't have renguard. Number of cheaters I've seen using Renguard in the past 2 months? 0. I doubt you've seen over 1 person using renguard that was cheating. Not that i really know your judgement on cheating either; you could think i was cheating when i wasn't. I've done some pretty messed up things that could easily pass as what a cheater can do (ie pistoling a gdi soldier 4x in a row when he's dodging) it's only logic that there would be more people cheating without RG than people with it.

Anyways, a moderator would still ask you "why you don't install renguard" and since you have no real reason not to, it look suspiciuos since you have absolutely nothing to lose by getting it. I still don't see why not using RG helps moderators check people that are running RG so that's not an excuse to not use RG. I mean the same moderators that test when you don't have RG, how do you know they wouldn't when you're not using renguard.. it would be two seperate times. not that it matters since you don't even have renguard installed so you don't know if moderators would check you if you had renguard installed. Pretty much most of the servers i've all been tested and i've had renguard. So to say that moderators never check rg users is wrong. In fact.. most, if not, all cases where a person said i was cheating i was tested.

Counter Example #1: Crazy posted a screenshot (somewhere) that showed him wall hacking (successfully, i might add) and running RG...hint hint...if someone writes a working aimbot...there goes Renny...unless RG is extended to catch aimbots!
P.S. I have tested RG users every now and then (usually if RG is acting funny though)
P.P.S. There are SERVERS which can't run RG (our clan has no reason to change to BRenBot from our highly customized version of BR.NET and can't run the Standalone SSC because it crashes our Ren server!)

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		The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: light on Fri, 30 December 2005 02:29
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: Sniper_De7 on Fri, 30 December 2005 09:13
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: Jecht on Fri, 30 December 2005 09:38
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: cmatt42 on Fri, 30 December 2005 09:53
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: hunteroo2 on Fri, 30 December 2005 12:44
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: Renx on Fri, 30 December 2005 11:43
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: light on Fri, 30 December 2005 13:41
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: Sniper_De7 on Fri, 30 December 2005 14:27
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: =HT=T-Bird on Fri, 30 December 2005 15:05
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: mision08 on Fri, 30 December 2005 16:08
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: Xpert on Fri, 30 December 2005 16:12
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: Ma1kel on Fri, 30 December 2005 16:13
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: Xpert on Fri, 30 December 2005 16:19
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: Cobalt on Fri, 30 December 2005 16:27
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: =HT=T-Bird on Fri, 30 December 2005 16:32
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: Ma1kel on Fri, 30 December 2005 16:23
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: SuperTech on Fri, 30 December 2005 16:55
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: Cobalt on Fri, 30 December 2005 17:05
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: SCOTT9 on Fri, 30 December 2005 17:27
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: SCOTT9 on Fri, 30 December 2005 17:33
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: Sniper_De7 on Fri, 30 December 2005 17:42
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: Cobalt on Fri, 30 December 2005 17:46
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: Sniper_De7 on Fri, 30 December 2005 17:59
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: SCOTT9 on Fri, 30 December 2005 18:00
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: SCOTT9 on Fri, 30 December 2005 18:05
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: Cobalt on Fri, 30 December 2005 18:11
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: Sniper_De7 on Fri, 30 December 2005 18:34
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: Cobalt on Fri, 30 December 2005 18:42
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: Sniper_De7 on Fri, 30 December 2005 19:08
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: light on Fri, 30 December 2005 19:13
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: Sniper_De7 on Fri, 30 December 2005 20:13
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: =HT=T-Bird on Fri, 30 December 2005 18:21
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: warranto on Fri, 30 December 2005 19:46
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: Cobalt on Fri, 30 December 2005 19:47
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: light on Fri, 30 December 2005 19:50
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: warranto on Fri, 30 December 2005 23:23
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: Xpert on Fri, 30 December 2005 19:59
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: NeWbSh0T on Fri, 30 December 2005 20:06
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: Aircraftkiller on Fri, 30 December 2005 20:20
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: Crimson on Fri, 30 December 2005 20:24
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: light on Fri, 30 December 2005 21:00
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: Xpert on Fri, 30 December 2005 22:40
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: Renx on Fri, 30 December 2005 23:28
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: light on Sat, 31 December 2005 00:55
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: Renx on Sat, 31 December 2005 12:24
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: almor999 on Sat, 31 December 2005 12:33
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: light on Sat, 31 December 2005 14:19
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: Areilius on Tue, 03 January 2006 06:55
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: light on Sat, 31 December 2005 14:36
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: ben5015se on Sat, 31 December 2005 15:42
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: Sniper_De7 on Sat, 31 December 2005 16:26
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: =HT=T-Bird on Sat, 31 December 2005 19:15
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: Renx on Sun, 01 January 2006 10:07
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: Crimson on Sat, 31 December 2005 03:12
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: light on Sat, 31 December 2005 03:42
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: warranto on Sat, 31 December 2005 09:49
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: =HT=T-Bird on Sat, 31 December 2005 11:37
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: Cobalt on Sat, 31 December 2005 12:02
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: SCOTT9 on Sat, 31 December 2005 06:55
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: cmatt42 on Sat, 31 December 2005 08:05
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: Crimson on Sat, 31 December 2005 10:42
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: Crimson on Sat, 31 December 2005 19:36
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: cmatt42 on Sat, 31 December 2005 20:53
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: NeWbSh0T on Sun, 01 January 2006 10:32
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: cmatt42 on Sun, 01 January 2006 20:17
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: =HT=T-Bird on Mon, 02 January 2006 06:09
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: Aircraftkiller on Sun, 01 January 2006 11:36
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: Goztow on Sun, 01 January 2006 12:50
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: Cobalt on Sun, 01 January 2006 14:22
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: Aircraftkiller on Sun, 01 January 2006 14:49
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: Cobalt on Sun, 01 January 2006 15:06
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: light on Sun, 01 January 2006 15:29
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: Renx on Mon, 02 January 2006 06:24
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: SCOTT9 on Mon, 02 January 2006 07:08
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: SCOTT9 on Mon, 02 January 2006 12:27
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: Sniper_De7 on Mon, 02 January 2006 15:41
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: Dan on Mon, 02 January 2006 13:39
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: =HT=T-Bird on Mon, 02 January 2006 16:25
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: Dave Mason on Mon, 02 January 2006 16:38
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: Dave Mason on Mon, 02 January 2006 16:01
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: Dan on Mon, 02 January 2006 16:50
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: Renx on Mon, 02 January 2006 19:11
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: =HT=T-Bird on Mon, 02 January 2006 19:33
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: PaRaDoX on Mon, 02 January 2006 20:05
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: Goztow on Tue, 03 January 2006 00:33
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: HTGunny on Thu, 05 January 2006 02:24
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: SCOTT9 on Fri, 13 January 2006 08:20
		Re: The 5 Phases of RenGuard users By: Dave Mason on Fri, 13 January 2006 11:51

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