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Re: I need some good Conservative/Republican types [message #179294 is a reply to message #178579] Tue, 15 November 2005 15:59 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Yeah, DUH, but the cartoon is directly implying hypocrisy between a pro-choice and pro-environment stand.

Such an implication is, however, logically flawed in that the non-hippie is not giving birth to the condor eggs.

Hyd-umbass <-- How's that for a witty name change?

The hippie is trying to protect the eggs because they are the eggs of an endangered species; the non-hippie is hungry and eats the eggs that were going to be discarded anyway.
By the commonly held definition of life that pro-choicers use (of whom we can assume the hippie is a part), those eggs are not yet alive, yet the hippie is trying to defend them as if they were living condors.
The cartoon correctly argues that such a stance is hypocritical.

How is that "logically flawed?"


Eggs were going to be discarded anyway? I don't feel like going back 2 pages to look at the cartoon again, so how about you explain that one.

The hippie is defending them because they will become living condors. Because they are an endanfered species. Not the same thing.

Hydra

Too bad science doesn't agree with you.


Yes, thank you, I know the literal definition of life, too. I was referring to the version of life that I believe applies to this issue.

Hydra

Yet another shining example of hypocrisy coming from you.
You give yourself such high praise in not using personal insults, then you say something like that... tsk tsk tsk.


Because you know they're so wrong.

Hydra

So you're okay with killing babies as long as they're human babies.

Gotcha.


You missed the point. Entirely. Really, right over your head. WOOOSH.

Hydra


You're going to attribute abortion operation mishaps in Africa solely to its illegality?


Stop suggesting that because I say something it means I believe it is the one factor in a system. In this case it is the main factor. Yes, it is, and you are wrong if you believe it is not.

Hydra

Do you think those women would receive even half-decent operations if abortion was legal? They can barely receive a simple vaccination that doesn't somehow result in health complications! Healthcare in Africa sucks!


It sucks even worse in back alleys. Africa does have hospitals, besides what you see on FOX news. They're really not helpless people at all. Their health care system is poor, albeit, but it is not nonexistant. An African hospital can carry out sterilized abortions. Back alleys cannot. Vaccinating the countryside is an ENTIRELY different problem. It is a problem of supply. This is not.

Hydra

Legalizing abortion doesn't automatically mean those women receiving them now will suddenly get better healthcare as those people doing the back-alley abortions will be the same people performing the legal practice; they'll just be allowed to do it by the government for a cheaper price.


I'm afraid you know nothing about this topic.

Hydra

And abortion's illegality is a single factor among a myriad of others forcing those women to seek those abortions in the first place.


Then name the myriad of other factors. Because you wouldn't suggest that such a myriad existed if you didn't know what it was. Or would you?

If you're going to respond to a real-life example, try to become a little more informed on what is actually happening with it.


"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)

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