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"...under God" [message #131650]

Mon, 10 January 2005 11:30

warranto
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"separation of church and state" isn't in the Constitution or any law. It was merely a theory presented and related to the founding of our governmental structure.

Frankly, the thought of living in any country where church and state are not separated scares me (and the entire world is shaping up to be one scary place to live in, the way things are going). Government, especially in a nation such as the US, can not be the lapdog of one particular religion- that would exclude all others (read that: millions of people), and lead to those groups feeling like outsiders to the rest of the country. One needs only look at history to see that government based on religion is the one sure path to oppression, and if left in place long enough, genocide.

There are common ideals and morals which all people share; those are what government should be based on. Religion has its place; that place is to govern the actions and beliefs of the individual who believes in that religion. It has no place in determining what is right or wrong for people who may be of other, different religions.

Keep in mind though that there is a difference between separation of church and state (state matters should not be influenced by religion), and separation of church and the people of the state (not allowing christian christmas decorations to be displayed etc.). Just becareful that this debate about the pledge actually has to do with influencing state matters, and not simply the people.

Is this a matter to be endorced as falling under the category of tolerance, or is someone believing that God is in support of the state so bad that it can not be expressed officially?

Remember, it's pledging allegiance to the flag and for what the republic stands for. The "Under God" part is simply the expression of the belief that God is in support of the country (as I mentioned above, but to reitterate), followed up by liberty and justice for all. The "Under God" phrase is sort of an extra put in. You're not pledging to God, just saying that God is supporting the country. There is nothing religious about it other than it refers to God's protection.

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		"...under God" By: icedog90 on Sun, 09 January 2005 16:39
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		"...under God" By: glyde51 on Sun, 09 January 2005 17:48
		"...under God" By: icedog90 on Sun, 09 January 2005 18:30
		"...under God" By: Jecht on Sun, 09 January 2005 19:21
		"...under God" By: rm5248 on Sun, 09 January 2005 19:34
		"...under God" By: icedog90 on Sun, 09 January 2005 19:52
		"...under God" By: Panther on Sun, 09 January 2005 20:18
		"...under God" By: NukeIt15 on Sun, 09 January 2005 20:37
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		"...under God" By: Fabian on Sun, 09 January 2005 20:51
		"...under God" By: glyde51 on Sun, 09 January 2005 20:56
		"...under God" By: Nodbugger on Sun, 09 January 2005 21:44
		"...under God" By: Aircraftkiller on Mon, 10 January 2005 00:17
		"...under God" By: Jecht on Mon, 10 January 2005 03:53
		"...under God" By: Spoony_old on Mon, 10 January 2005 05:04
		"...under God" By: Crimson on Mon, 10 January 2005 05:49
		"...under God" By: Doitle on Mon, 10 January 2005 06:17
		"...under God" By: glyde51 on Mon, 10 January 2005 06:54
		"...under God" By: Spoony_old on Mon, 10 January 2005 07:41
		"...under God" By: SuperMidget on Mon, 10 January 2005 08:17
		"...under God" By: NukeIt15 on Mon, 10 January 2005 10:17
		"...under God" By: Jecht on Mon, 10 January 2005 10:35
		"...under God" By: warranto on Mon, 10 January 2005 11:19
		"...under God" By: warranto on Mon, 10 January 2005 11:30
		"...under God" By: NukeIt15 on Mon, 10 January 2005 13:53
		"...under God" By: Fabian on Mon, 10 January 2005 14:59
		"...under God" By: warranto on Mon, 10 January 2005 16:22
		"...under God" By: Jecht on Mon, 10 January 2005 19:45
		"...under God" By: Sir Phoenixx on Mon, 10 January 2005 21:25
		Re: "...under God" By: Vitaminous on Tue, 11 January 2005 15:00
		Re: "...under God" By: AlostSOul on Tue, 11 January 2005 18:13
		"...under God" By: Vitaminous on Tue, 11 January 2005 22:52
		Re: "...under God" By: cheesesoda on Wed, 12 January 2005 10:24
		"...under God" By: Toolstyle on Wed, 12 January 2005 17:04
		"...under God" By: rm5248 on Wed, 12 January 2005 18:10
		"...under God" By: Hydra on Wed, 12 January 2005 19:14
		"...under God" By: Doitle on Thu, 13 January 2005 06:30
		"...under God" By: Jecht on Thu, 13 January 2005 08:14
		"...under God" By: Toolstyle on Thu, 13 January 2005 11:22
		"...under God" By: IRON FART on Thu, 13 January 2005 22:24
		"...under God" By: icedog90 on Fri, 14 January 2005 00:03
		"...under God" By: Jecht on Fri, 14 January 2005 20:22
		"...under God" By: IRON FART on Fri, 14 January 2005 20:49
		"...under God" By: Gizbotvas on Sat, 15 January 2005 12:46
		"...under God" By: Sir Phoenixx on Sat, 15 January 2005 13:08
		"...under God" By: icedog90 on Sat, 15 January 2005 15:21
		"...under God" By: bigejoe14 on Sat, 15 January 2005 18:01
		"...under God" By: cowmisfit on Sat, 15 January 2005 20:08
		"...under God" By: Hydra on Sat, 15 January 2005 21:58
		"...under God" By: warranto on Sun, 16 January 2005 00:59
		"...under God" By: Nodbugger on Sun, 16 January 2005 11:12
		"...under God" By: warranto on Sun, 16 January 2005 12:15

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