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Zell Miller's an ass. [message #113423] Mon, 06 September 2004 20:38 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Fine. Here you go. Zell Miller is a moron because: Well, first he is a flip-flopper, for real, not like John Kerry flip-flop. In 1992 during the Democratic National Convention he declared that "Republicans have dealt in cynicism and skepticism" and "mastered the art of division and diversion." Quite contrary to his views at the 2004 RNC.


He answered this statement in the opening 3 minutes of his speech. He stated very clearly that "A whole new generation of Miller's have been born since I stood in this same place over a decade ago." and then he further went on to state that "my family is more important than my party." Did he flip-flop? Maybe so. I'm not arguing that, but that doesn't make him a liar, his priorities have changed due to the change in his family and he now feels that GW Bush is the leader he feels most comfortable with protecting that family.

SuperFlyingEngi

Also during his 1992 speech, he was much less harsh than his appearance on Wednesday. In fact,


Since I am most certain that you were not watching his last speech when you were 2, I can only assume that this is simply a direct quote from the source you quoted.. Have you actually watched internet footage of that speech? or read the transcripts? Like I said, your hatred with Zell Miller seems more of just a regurgitation of the propaganda that a liberal reporter spewed in their column; I have a hard time believeing that you "share" these opinions based on actual events which you were a part of or even have heard for yourself and evaluated. If I am wrong here, then I'm sure you'll be explaining how he was "much less harsh" in 1992.

SuperFlyingEngi

his RNC speech was probably one of the most hate-filled American political speeches of my lifetime.


Please expound.. I'm having a hard time understanding this comment; unless you and I watched a completely different speech. Did he have a few harsh words? sure. But it was very clear that he was questioning "where the Democrats he used to know" have gone. I guess you could say he is "flip-flopping" again, as he is questioning the true colors of the party he grew up believing in and fighting for.

SuperFlyingEngi

He was also just making stuff up when he declared that todays Democratic leaders see America as an occupier, not a liberator. Which Democratic leaders?


He did make this comment, and to be honest, I'm not sure what he was refering to, as I don't have any knowledge to the speech he is refering to, I will have to do some research on it.

SuperFlyingEngi

I'm sure everyone saw him blow up in front of Chris Matthews, telling him to "get out of my face" and declaring that he wished to challenge the host of Hardball to a duel. Doesn't seem like a mentally stable person to me.


He seemed entirely stable to me. But you see, this is golden example of where our two beliefs most likely differ. I see Chris Matthews to be a pompous ass who typically uses the fact that it is "his show" to cut people off, drive them in to the ground, never give them the chance to respond, and simply cut them off when he thinks the interview isn't going his way. Zell knows this, and was prepared for it. Chris asked him a number of questions and NEVER even gave him the chance to respond. As soon as he started to speak, Chris totally cut him off and started baiting him again. After about the 5th time, Zell told him to knock it off or take a hike. If you watch the interview again, you'll notice the exact time in which Chris realizes that he has just been "told" and he was absolutely stunned. Watch the rest of the interview, and realize that after that moment, Chris Matthews acts like a kid that is in a meeting with his principle. he didn't make another baiting comment, he was respectful, and he even made a number of graceful compliments to Zell.. Chris is an asshole, he got owned, and it's as simple as that.

SuperFlyingEngi

When Zell Miller remarked that John Kerry has made it clear he would use military force only if it were approved by the U.N., where in fact John Kerry has stated, "I will never give any nation or international institution a veto over our national security."


This is one of those "I'm going to make a fenceline comment that can't get me in trouble either way." John Kerry has made it absolutely factual that the president abused the power that was given to him, then out of the other side of his mouth, he states that he would never expect the president to do anything but act in the way that they feel that they need to. It's a circular argument.. Either you believe that the President has and had the authority to do what he did, or you argue that he acted irresponsibly and abused his power. All I hear is that "I want the ability to make those decisions myself also if I'm president" .. so what's his beef with Bush.

SuperFlyingEngi

And overall, his speech was just so insanely mean. All he did was go up on the podium, scowl, and ramble on and on about how all Democrats were treasonous baby killers. And people were cheering him.


I never heard him say this at all.. and to me, his speech seemed honest and from the heart.. He was pissed off that his brother Democrats are acting the way they are..

SuperFlyingEngi

Politics isn't about shouting down the other side, as Bill O' Lielly would have you believe, but it's about wielding a better candidate than the other side, and having better plans than the other side.


which is why he took the time out of his life to help the people at the RNC understand what his opinion was about "The other side".. He believes that the Republicans have a better candidate, and he gave 100 reasons why.

SuperFlyingEngi

If someone like that came to a Democratic Convention, no matter their stance on the issues, I wouldn't be cheering. There's no room for mentally unstable rednecks in politics any more.


If someone came to a democratic convention and started spewing about how Bush and Cheny were a bunch of 'ol boys club Oil rednecks that think they can do whatever they want, and make their buddies richer, you wouldn't be standing up cheering? I find that laughable, actually.

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