Comp_uter15776 (8 Hours Ago), [Ren]Fabisch (1 Day Ago), jason~bourne (23 Hours Ago)
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Reposting my edit since this discussion is happening quite fast...
Right, let's just skip all logic and rationale and go straight to the ad hominem!Originally Posted by liquidv2
And you calling me irrational and stubborn. Pretty ironic if you consider how much energy you are wasting here beating a dead horse.
Anyways, the one last thing I have to say to you, Wilo, is that being the owner of this community DOES make you more responsible for your actions, whether you like it or not. This is true of any position of authority; think about if you did this as a regular mod on this server. You would have been removed from the modlist to say the least, and possibly banned. Remember what happened to Death and Bradley? The difference in being the owner of this community is that you won't be held accountable for certain decisions because, well, you have no superiors to punish you. Basically, you CAN do whatever the fuck you want, but you need to show us that you have the restraint to simply not do such things. The rest, I think you already know as you've said it yourself.
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Comp_uter15776 (8 Hours Ago), [Ren]Fabisch (1 Day Ago), jason~bourne (23 Hours Ago)
I think you misunderstood a few things. When my system was in place, Wilo and the admin team assume it was my code causing the crashes. It took them 3-4 months to realize it wasn't the case and finallly take action on it by fixing the real problem.Originally Posted by Cyanide
Oh look, part of my system is being used. People came back. Can I say, irony?[17:14:19] <St0rmServ> [GDIPlayers]: (21) newtown19 bigjimer1 cloud2005 kobravipe DrunkyBear Fr4gg0r Tobi94 pintudo7 jokerine SWAT-job314 UrNantes AlphaSt0rm slingmike Fraser327 JTeK bussardnr star1 Rachele Crazlex c0vert7 Honiara
[17:14:19] <St0rmServ> [NodPlayers]: (21) falcod666 Ramrod_AI crushu06 bullvipe ruffie Fabisch bigost0rm Razorzedg dethice rebdog ren9999 SpankUmuch darkarrow LGalyen farmerdav ak47oo1 c4thrower DxBlueIce djohe sordguy66 WNxRav3
If you noticed liquid, no one is defending Wilo at the moment. The people who are in the loop and read the forums, they can troll the forums and topics up, but they really just want to play the game. I know many of your points are indeed true, 90% of the playerbase in st0rm doesn't read the forums or isn't involved in any of the drama.Originally Posted by liquid
And yes, Wilo did lash out at me yesterday for the whole FTP thing that I did not do, but that's fixed. While I may disagree with Wilo even during the times I was part of the st0rm staff and even now, I just want to fricken game and run Atomix again the way it would of been ran if I did not close it. I left drama behind me that you, yourself liquid got involved in when it wasn't your community also and then you later learned the truth and my own words on what went on and saw the bigger picture. What if there was a bigger picture on Wilo's side also despite all this? I'm not defending him, but I just think you need to forget about it all. Wilo did you guys a favor by delinking IRC services.
Let's try not to use my community as me using it for an escape route for people. I'm just opening it to people like normal. I don't want to be blamed now for 'stealing' members as Wyld1 puts it.right now if i were a st0rm mod trying to decide whether i should mod for st0rm or atomix the question wouldn't be hard
Despite all that, I can see why he's mad. It's the scars that were left behind that won't go away. I think that's the right way of putting it.Originally Posted by Wilo
Gee thanks -_- . The only thing that bothered me about this statement is you make it sound like my "little atomix issue" was a concern for the whole renegade world. It really isn't.Originally Posted by liquid
There will be people that will hate Wilo. There will be people that will talk about him, including myself. Let me put it simply. I may not be part of st0rm, I may hate everything that's gone wrong in st0rm and Wilo himself, but I guess we don't let stuff like this be a burden on our shoulders. Ya I can say it right now that I fucking hate this place because I find the admins to be retards with no common sense and lack any knowledge to comprehend anything that is written infront of them excluding some, but I still talk to Wilo from time to time not to play "both" sides, but maybe because being a server owner myself, I know what it feels like to take the heat of something, whether it's for something on your fault or not. I guess I just know how he feels in all this.
And I'm not taking sides. I still don't like a few things that are bugging me, but I just don't see what will it do if I post about it. Things seem to be the same after a drama subsides. Everything goes back to normal. It sucks in some point of view, but that's the truth.
Bradley0327 (1 Day Ago), Lizst0rm (1 Day Ago), nuker7738 (1 Day Ago), sineponev (1 Day Ago)
if i hate Wilo it's because he's given me a reason to
i've always been honest and up front with him about things, but sadly he hasn't returned the favor
for some reason Wilo thinks that someone telling him what people are saying in #jelly is a big deal
[15:05:43] <@Uufje> I try to just put it past myself and move on, but I cannot help being mad at him
[15:05:45] <~liquidv2> i suppose
[15:05:46] <&Erell> ^
[15:05:54] <@Uufje> yeah, he's just jealous
[15:05:56] <~liquidv2> it's not going to stop, as long as we're still here and he's still there
[15:06:07] <~liquidv2> i'm sure everything being said here is taken straight back to him btw
[15:06:13] <~liquidv2> i have no problem with that; this is all entirely true
i, like everyone else, would rather shit just moved on, but i'm very skeptical about his ability to leave it at that
Have a nice day
[14:36:56] <&JellyMarathon> rebdog: i always swallow
I have never been one to speak his mind, especially in open forum like this but I feel it's necessary. This post does not in any way represent the community I am affiliated with.
I honestly can't fathom why you would do something like this to a community you are supposed to be "friends" with. It sickens me to know that you were behind this the whole time. We could have been chatting on IRC at one point and you were crashing my server a second later. I suppose betrayal would be a good word to use here. I don't entirely buy the story about a simple exploit, either, because there were times I would see you ping out of IRC and our server would be under attack. 15+mbps floods aren't exactly simple either. It's possible that it was a simple exploit, but I honestly do not buy it. And hey.. instead of USING the exploit, how about letting someone know instead? That's what any normal, decent human being would do.
Then there is the point of delinking IRC. Why did it have to be done right then? Why couldn't it have waited until someone was able to get a copy of services up and running so my users weren't left stranded? Good thing Erell was on at that point, or we would have been fucked. Then we are chastised for doing the same with Exodus.
If you don't see a problem with no notice, then I don't either.12:59:08… aca20031 has joined #exodus-home
12:59:08… ExaBot sets mode: +v aca20031
12:59:11… +aca20031: ..whats going on?
12:59:26… ~Cunin: exodus linking with jelly
12:59:34… +aca20031: i dont suppose you could have told us first?
12:59:52… +aca20031: we're not all immature idiots, there's a such thing as common courtesy
12:59:54… ~Cunin: well i didn't do it :<
12:59:55… ~raven\alt: uhhhhh
12:59:59… ~raven\alt: wilo didnt tell jelly first
13:00:02… ~raven\alt: so why the fuck should they
13:00:10… +aca20031: dont emulate wilo
13:00:11… +aca20031: he's an idiot
13:00:17… +aca20031: do the rest of us a decency
13:00:25… ~raven\alt: goes both ways
13:00:34… ~Cunin: aca20031 i was away when this happened and i dind't know it was going to happen today
13:00:36… +aca20031: i cant control wilo
13:00:38… +aca20031: you can control yourself
13:00:55… ~raven\alt: he represents your community does he not
13:01:02… ~raven\alt: moreso than anyone
13:01:10… +aca20031: perhaps more than anyone, but not more than the majority
13:01:32… &SaM: Well it is up tot he majority to keep the minority in order
13:01:48… +aca20031: doesn't work in a monarchy
13:02:01… ~raven\alt: then overthrow the king
13:02:01… ~raven\alt: lol
13:03:01… +aca20031: good luck to you
13:03:04… aca20031 has quit IRC (Quit![]()
In closing, yes I'm mad. I have every fucking right to be mad. That's what happens when someone who is supposed to be your friend stabs you in the back. Does this mean I will drag it out? No. However, I do not forgive the events, and I probably never will. It has caused me and the rest of my staff major headaches, not to mention all the players that have had their games interrupted because of these pointless, thoughtless actions.
The knife is still there Wilo.
the one with the proving to do is you, wilo. had it been some random guy liquid had accused of crashing the jelly servers, liquid would be the one with the explaining to do. in this case, it's you. someone who spent some considerable time trying to cover it all up at first, exactly like you did when you cheated in the commwar. then - as it seems to me - once it comes to the point you can't hide it anymore, you make only a partial admission (read your own post again, you said you knew who else was doing it and you refuse to say who they were)I flooded your server a total of maybe 10 times. If you have evidence of me doing more please show me. Give me the IPs that are mine that hit you. I attacked you about 6 times from my home computer and I did it several times from my cellphone. Kinda sad, I crashed your server with a cellphone.
btw, the first few responses to the original posts ought to make their posters deeply embarrassed at having spouted such tripe. wilo's "the better man"? no, the better man is anyone who wasn't repeatedly attacking other renegade servers and lying about doing so.
...it almost sounds like you're saying something should have been done about you?I cheated in a community battle. <--- It happens all the time with other people and little is done.
wtf wilo.........
Iran (1 Day Ago)
Ok, so I fucked up can we move on now? You guys have made your point clear.
Regards,
Wilo S.
St0rm Network Administrator
www.St0rm.net
~Long Live St0rm~
Manuel857 (1 Day Ago)
just wanna put this out here, Melissaa is telling everyone that st0rm mods are being banned from jelly
why would we ban st0rm players that have done nothing wrong? that's not the case at all
i did ban her from Jelly Teamspeak for two reasons:
1) she knew all along and never said a word to us
2) every time she was on she would try to get jelly players to join st0rm with her; that's promoting other servers, something we don't allow ingame or on teamspeak
don't think we'd revenge-ban players or anything; we're not that way
[14:36:56] <&JellyMarathon> rebdog: i always swallow
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