| Any RenGuard servers running only maps with defenses? [message #91432] |
Mon, 31 May 2004 17:56  |
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NukeIt15
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Like the title says. Honestly, it gets on my fucking nerves to load a game and have it end four or five minutes after starting. I don't mind losing, and I don't mind getting killed...it just sucks balls to have a game over that fast, no matter who wins. IMHO, a long game is much more fun than one that ends after a few uncoordinated waves of basic infantry and maybe a tank or two.
Non-Defense maps tend to be the ones where this happens the most often- one early rush with a few free engies and soldiers and you can be down a building in under a minute on some maps. It doesn't have anything to do with co-ordination- everyone just races out the door with whatever they can grab at the PT and head for the nearest thing they can detonate. Since both teams generally do the same thing, whichever one gets to the enemy base first usually wins, because few if any people remain to defend.
Defense maps last a lot longer most of the time- at least until the first APC hits the field, and even then a few defenders can pick off the vehicle before it gets to its destination. I have sometimes seen defense maps- Under, Hourglass, and the like- last right up until the time limit. Unless anyone has seen different, this almost never happens without defenses. Of course, the reason why defense maps last longer is because it takes some degree of teamwork to penetrate said defenses- free characters running through tunnels just don't do the trick.
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So...yeah. Does anyone run a server that only has defense maps on it? I'm probably wasting my breath asking...wonder how long it'll take for someone to come in and start flaming? :rolleyes:
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| Any RenGuard servers running only maps with defenses? [message #91445] |
Mon, 31 May 2004 18:44  |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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The RenAlert server runs maps without base defenses, like Fjord.
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| Any RenGuard servers running only maps with defenses? [message #91547] |
Tue, 01 June 2004 05:56 |
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NukeIt15
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I do stay behind and defend, unless there are no enemies attacking. The problem is that no one else does. Defense doesn't mean much when the defense is outnumbered by an attack that consists of half the enemy team all going to different places in no specific order. And the same thing is happening over at the other base, so if one team isn't destroyed with the first attack, the other is.
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| Any RenGuard servers running only maps with defenses? [message #91726] |
Tue, 01 June 2004 18:31 |
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Defense doesn't mean much when the defense is outnumbered by an attack
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This really goes for base defenses as well as "Human" defenses.
If one team is moderately well co-ordinated, games won't last very long anyway. I sometime play in small games (14 players) where 3 or 4 stealth tanks are rallyed early on.
Quite often they are able to take out the AGT and/or some other buildings and after they have gone the game doesn't usually take long.
Long games usually occur in three scenarios:
- Both teams are disorganized (Very common).
- Both team are very competent and well matched (rare).
- The game is huge in which case nobody can really do much because whenever someone leaves their base they immediately come under fire.
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| Any RenGuard servers running only maps with defenses? [message #91735] |
Tue, 01 June 2004 19:17 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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Heh, even a barely competent team can survive for 5 minutes on City Flying.
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| Any RenGuard servers running only maps with defenses? [message #91879] |
Wed, 02 June 2004 14:15 |
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it takes like 1 or more minutes for everi map to load, and sometimes by the time I get to play(on maps without base defences), the game is pretti much over
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I think the lowest game time I have seen is 1:05 (1 minute and 5 seconds), that was a CnR game.
The problem here is not base defenses, its a slow computer; probably all you need is more RAM.
With 2GB of RAM all maps load in about 1-2 seconds.
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| Any RenGuard servers running only maps with defenses? [message #91926] |
Wed, 02 June 2004 17:06 |
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rm5248
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I have 128 MB RAM. 128 MB RAM is pretti much standard for most computers, so it can't be the RAM.
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XP needs at least 128... 256 or even 512 will increase speed dramatically.....
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| Any RenGuard servers running only maps with defenses? [message #92007] |
Wed, 02 June 2004 19:56 |
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I have 128 MB RAM. 128 MB RAM is pretti much standard for most computers, so it can't be the RAM.
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NT based operating systems use spare ram as disk cache, hence the more RAM you have the more disk cache.
When you get to a reasonable amount of RAM Renegade and all the maps can be loaded completely into disk cache, as a result renegade doesn't acutally need to "Load" anything from disk.
All its doing is copying data from one area of memory to another.
A fast processor can move hundreds of MB around every second.
About the only way you would even get close to the speed of RAM is if you have a hardware raid card with several fiber channel 15,000 RPM SCSI drives.
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). If they do manage to place any C4, once you kill them you can disarm it or repair the building if it does go off.
