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Just an Idea [message #86237] Sun, 09 May 2004 06:58 Go to next message
visorneon is currently offline  visorneon
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i was thinking maybe taking RenGuard off 1 or 2 of the n00bsvrs? i have seen many times that all of the servers are completely desolate, maybe just try it without renguard for a week and see how much of a difference it makes? well as i said its only an idea, dont have a go at me Confused

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Just an Idea [message #86241] Sun, 09 May 2004 07:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have seen similar ideas in a number of forums. On the one hand, obviously a server not protected by RenGuard is more likely to attract a larger number of players that might not have installed RenGuard yet. I am not going to discuss whether these players are more prone to cheat or not, because I think this would be an unwarranted generalization. I think the problem with removing RenGuard protection from a server is that it reduces the incentive for players to finally install RenGuard on their systems. Obviously it motivates a lot more if you cannot play without RenGuard in any of your favorite servers.

In that context, I am wondering if it is feasible to automate the RenGuard installation. I am thinking along the lines

- player joins RenGuard-protected server
- player gets popup-message Yes/No
- Yes shuts down Renegade and opens RenGuard download website, No returns to Advanced Game Selection Menu.

Alternatively, as the warning message "You need RenGuard" is rather quick, how about a popup message upon leaving the server "go to http://www.renguard... and download ..."

Just a thought Smile


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Just an Idea [message #86242] Sun, 09 May 2004 07:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Got to agree with ^ on the idea of somekind of installation pop-up, I've seen a couple of servers with the welcome message "Please go to http://www.renguard.com..." or words to that effect, you do seem to get less people joining and being kicked by renguard half a dozen times (seriously, by the second time you'd think that they'd realise something was up) on these servers.

There may be some use to de-activating RenGuard on a couple of the n00bsvrs, that way you get non-RenGuard users on and when the srvrs go back to RenGuard the users have to install RenGuard to go on the servers, as it stands many people have simply moved to non-RenGuard servers that aren't switching so there is simply no-incentive to install RenGuard.

I'm not entirely to sure how well I just made my points as I'm still recovering from last night so you'll just have to bear with me if my post takes a couple of re-reads.
Just an Idea [message #86308] Sun, 09 May 2004 13:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Lots of people still wont go out of their way to play on a server protected by ren gaurd to get the the program when they can just go to another server, thats what I did untill recently.

Just an Idea [message #86465] Mon, 10 May 2004 11:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It's the servers who aren't installing RenGuard that are hurting those of us who don't want cheaters in our servers. Every server that goes RenGuard-only makes us stronger.

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Just an Idea [message #86491] Mon, 10 May 2004 12:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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So to say that It is the servers fault, you are also saying that enough clients have renguard that people not joing shouldn't be a problem?

If this is the case you are proposing, then maybe you should get a few of your dedicated admins to just sit and play around o the servers for a little while, and all the people with Renguard will see that the servers are occupided and join the game. I find most people don't come to a game I host, on the account that the server is just empty, and people like playing with a lot of other people.

Edit: If that is not the case, then at the very least the fact that your servers are ladderd will allow you co-workers to go up in rank as there stants get changed from messing around waiting for people to join, win or loose.
Just an Idea [message #86501] Mon, 10 May 2004 12:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Part of the problem -- one that I'm working on. We get hundreds of players on RenGuard but only a small fraction of them on protected servers. Players on RenGuard should make an effort to get on protected servers. I hope to help this problem by having a detailed server list so you know who's running RenGuard.

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Just an Idea [message #86583] Mon, 10 May 2004 16:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Perhaps make a serverside option to alow someone to play for X amount of time before they get kicked?

So that people can still play, they get a taste of whats going on, and have the opratunity to ask about renguard before they get their arse booted.


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Just an Idea [message #86591] Mon, 10 May 2004 16:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yeah, that really sounds like a good idea. Cool

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Just an Idea [message #86623] Mon, 10 May 2004 18:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yeah, I think it's a good idea, too. Not everyone knows about RenGuard, and this would be a good way to show them.

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Just an Idea [message #86715] Tue, 11 May 2004 10:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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hm from what i have heard, either it is not possible to make a server side renguard, or it has to analyze every shot you fire, just imagine the lag with everyshot fired being analyzed

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Just an Idea [message #86764] Tue, 11 May 2004 16:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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We hope that through further research, we can augment RenGuard on the server-side with stuff like that, but everything we've come up with so far has used a LOT of processor.

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Just an Idea [message #86796] Tue, 11 May 2004 18:13 Go to previous message
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Be sure to have enough m3gahurtz!!!111

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