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| The Passion of the Christ [message #80082] |
Wed, 14 April 2004 20:18   |
GodofDeath
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Location: Kansas! Whoo Hoo!
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Did I say that? NO I said that those followers of Christ and follow the disciples way i.e. priests. Because Peter was the first Pope and made the Priest thing! So only priest would be able to do it you see! Please stop I get tired of this stupidness! People jump in when they take their a small portion of a text that would support thier idea! I am stopping posting here because I dont care! It is a free country you are entitled to your opinion and lets not see a witty try-to-be comeback! I'm done I will no loger read anything under this post good day all! I have shared my belief's with you I care no more now!
I am your God...of Death!
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| The Passion of the Christ [message #80091] |
Wed, 14 April 2004 20:32 |
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Javaxcx
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Location: Canada, eh?
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To your response that Jesus is the only mediator which is true! But he is God and what ever he says is LAW!!! So I asked my priest over Easter about your topic that telling our sins is blasphemy and he said that Jesus made priests with the power to forgive sins!! Have you ever read John 20: 23
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22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: 23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
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He says right there to his disciples who's ever sins u forgive they are forgiven and who evers sin u do not forgive are not forgiven! SO there you see a it! A priest is acting through a law that Jesus made!! Thus it is perfect and infallible! So there you have it! A PRIEST HAS THE ABILITY TO FORGIVE SINS!!!!
Also I did answer why Jesus died for our sins!!! He did it because he loved all of humanity and wanted us to have a share in eternal life with him!! It says so in the BIBLE!!!
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Ok, I'm going to break this down for you, because you seem to be a bit confused on the issue:
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To your response that Jesus is the only mediator which is true! But he is God and what ever he says is LAW!!!
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Thats right, anything that Jesus said is to be considered God's law, HOWEVER:
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So I asked my priest over Easter about your topic that telling our sins is blasphemy and he said that Jesus made priests with the power to forgive sins!! Have you ever read John 20: 23
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Now, you need to understand this otherwise it's a waste of time to try and comprehend what I'm telling you: There is a DIFFERENCE between a human forgiving a human, and God forgiving a human. For example: If you steal a baseball card from a friend, but return it the next day, your friend may forgive you. This amends the relationship between you and your friend, but you haven't amended with God for breaking the commandment "thou shalt not steal". This can be extrapolated to priests aswell, however more indirectly. If you "confess" to a priest, he can say "Well sonny, you're forgiven for stealing your buddy's baseball card" but that is merely a human reconciling to a human. In short, you're not confessing to God, you're confessing to someone who is not qualified to atone your sins. It doesn't matter if Jesus gave them the gift of the Holy Spirit BECAUSE priests are still human; They are not God. The very most they can do is give you guidance on how to speak to God about your transgressions.
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Also I did answer why Jesus died for our sins!!! He did it because he loved all of humanity and wanted us to have a share in eternal life with him!!
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You're looking at it from a terribly broad perspective. God wanted us to share eternal life with him always, not just when he decided to sent Jesus to combat Satan (because THAT was what Jesus' mission was).
It's one thing to say "Jesus died for our sins" and it's another to actually understand what that means. If you want a simple, HUMAN answer, read that link I posted a few posts up.
Sniper Extraordinaire
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| The Passion of the Christ [message #80218] |
Thu, 15 April 2004 06:21 |
KIRBY098
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I hope the Catholic arguement is based on more than one misinterpreted line in one passage that was taken out of context.
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| The Passion of the Christ [message #80361] |
Thu, 15 April 2004 14:10 |
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amid_tha_rubble
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this....forum...is...offf.....TOOOPPPICCC
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWW!!!!!
Down with the Liberal Thieves in Ottawa!
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| The Passion of the Christ [message #80673] |
Fri, 16 April 2004 06:50 |
KIRBY098
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The reason Catholicism is so popular.
Nobody wants to think about the weightier matters. It requires more than the two brain cells normally used to decide what beer they want to drink, and what girl they want to abuse. Someone else can tell me what it all means. :rolleyes:
Of all the important matters in the world to ponder, these are the greatest. They are the only ones that really matter when you get hit by a bus on the way to the bar to drink your favorite beer and try to trick some poor girl into coming home with you.
There is much more to life than this, and our time here is very short. Prepare for the rest of eternity, not this fleeting moment of time.
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| The Passion of the Christ [message #80764] |
Fri, 16 April 2004 12:49 |
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Javaxcx
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Actually, I'd say that Catholicism is popular because (and this is a guesstimate) 8 out of 10 people accept the religion because it is so mainstream. It's basically the same reason the Gentiles chose Christianity over Judaism: It's just easier. Everyone has done all the work to "decipher" what the messages in the Bible were, and they blindly accept that as truth.
For the person who wants solid proof, Catholicism doesn't make much sense. If you analyse some very important issues, even rituals and sacraments, alot of them are conflicting with other teachings. If the Catholic Bible is truth, then why (and this is just an example) did Jesus die for our sins if priests could forgive them anyway? Both aspects are "assumedly" in the Catholic Bible, and they conflict... But since they conflict, does that mean that the Bible is fallible? Which one is actually the truth?
When that happens, you start questioning lots of things you can find in the Bible, and when you break it down, the foundation of the Catholic religion is flawed -- all the way down through the people in the institution. I wouldn't want my kid going to Church if the people who we are supposed to trust full heartedly are under investigation for child molestation.
Screw organized religion -- you're only going to make it harder on yourself.
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All your base are belong to us.
You have no chance to survive make your time.
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| The Passion of the Christ [message #80940] |
Fri, 16 April 2004 21:18 |
xptek_disabled
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Yeah, but, I generally like being scared shitless (rollercoaster pwns!) so it shouldn't be a problem. I'bb probablly get used to dieing all the time anyway. 
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| The Passion of the Christ [message #81470] |
Sun, 18 April 2004 10:47 |
setstyle
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Atheism is a hypocritical crock.
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What's really funny is the American Atheist Association.
your = possessive adjective
you're = you + are
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| The Passion of the Christ [message #81616] |
Mon, 19 April 2004 08:45 |
KIRBY098
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This whole debate equates to explaining Boolean theory to a third grader. Of course they don't get it, and resort to all encompasing gobbledee gook.
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| Re: The Passion of the Christ [message #164128 is a reply to message #71346] |
Sun, 24 July 2005 15:57 |
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amid_tha_rubble
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lol
people who find conflicts with catholicism are just overthinking the issues. I have explained the answers to questions like yours far too many times to even care to do it now. Go talk to a priest if you want those answers.
Down with the Liberal Thieves in Ottawa!
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| Re: The Passion of the Christ [message #164502 is a reply to message #71346] |
Wed, 27 July 2005 22:28 |
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amid_tha_rubble
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You don't have to laugh if you don't want to. I find it a little odd that you're claiming the church teaching s are 'simplistic' now, when you earlier said that they were so convoluted that they contradicted themselves. They don't - I'm a self taught student of Catholic Catechism (and i have the books to rpove it) and I see absolutey no contradiction in Church Teachings. You, on the other hand, have likely never opened a book about catechism and therefore are not yet ready to debate me on the issue.
Down with the Liberal Thieves in Ottawa!
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