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Movies, Real Life, and Time Travel (Why not?) [message #78294] Sat, 10 April 2004 04:49 Go to next message
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Hey, I'm back. I just came back from a trip to the philippines. While i was on the flight back to the US i saw the movie "Paycheck". Do you think the events in that movie is actualy posible in real life? Also do u think other movies like it (matrix trilogy, Back to the future, Terminator Trilogy, ect) is posible in real life. Also i want to know if that light around a circle shows the future thing was actualy a theroy from Einstine. Another thing im trying to understand is if u were to have part of your memory errased then its not like u never done thouse events. If u think of it it really boggls the mind.

18 hours flying sucks... So damn sleepy... And bored...


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Movies, Real Life, and Time Travel (Why not?) [message #78296] Sat, 10 April 2004 04:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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time travel is not possible..
matrix.. maybe one day in the future

terminator.. could come tru.. like matrix.. a war with the machines.. but time travel is not possible
Movies, Real Life, and Time Travel (Why not?) [message #78301] Sat, 10 April 2004 05:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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and i can prove time travel is not possable Smile

think about it.... if people were going to make time machines some day how comes nobody comes from the future to meet up with us? Razz
Movies, Real Life, and Time Travel (Why not?) [message #78302] Sat, 10 April 2004 05:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I heard something somewhere that (Dont quote me on this) If you're traveling extremely fast (Space station) etc.. events happen .0001 seconds before other people. I'm not sure if it's acurate or credible considering I don't remember the source.

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Movies, Real Life, and Time Travel (Why not?) [message #78316] Sat, 10 April 2004 05:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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and i can prove time travel is not possable Smile

think about it.... if people were going to make time machines some day how comes nobody comes from the future to meet up with us? Razz


Do you a Google search on John Titor, he supposibly came from the future and showed us his Time Machine in a public web forum.
Movies, Real Life, and Time Travel (Why not?) [message #78321] Sat, 10 April 2004 06:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I was about to say that!

Or you can just check out http://www.johntitor.com


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Movies, Real Life, and Time Travel (Why not?) [message #78323] Sat, 10 April 2004 06:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yeah that's a fascinating thread, I've read it through too.

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Re: Movies and Real Life [message #78327] Sat, 10 April 2004 06:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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....i saw the movie "Paycheck"......


Watch the movie "Total Recall," you'll notice how Paycheck and even the Matrix (at least a little bit) ripped off that moive.


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Movies, Real Life, and Time Travel (Why not?) [message #78517] Sat, 10 April 2004 15:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yeah, i have seen the goverator 's movie. Did u know that he saved some dude in his vacation in hawii? :rolleyes:

Well about time travel, i used to think it wasnt posible due to that if it was posible it would mean that ALL time was allready written, but then i thought about this. Think of cause and effect, there is nothing in it saying choice. Everything happens due to something else happening. Even if a coin is flips to determine something it can be foreseen becouse if u know everything like wind preasure of the mussles in the thumb and ect you can know. Therefore all time is in fact predictible! Which means the future can be atleast seen.

Now that i think of it if there were a real matrix it could infact predict everything in its world such as the one and ect due to it being able to control all things. As they say in the movie 'Choice is just an elusion..'

I had a lot of time to think in that darn 18 hour flight. Also I would like to say that japan is the most perverted place in the world. IF u go there u will find out.


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Movies, Real Life, and Time Travel (Why not?) [message #78523] Sat, 10 April 2004 16:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Think of cause and effect, there is nothing in it saying choice. Everything happens due to something else happening. Even if a coin is flips to determine something it can be foreseen becouse if u know everything like wind preasure of the mussles in the thumb and ect you can know. Therefore all time is in fact predictible! Which means the future can be atleast seen.


Wrong I think... go read something on the quantumness type stuff. I found a book about Schrodinger's kitty to be good at explaining it.


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Movies, Real Life, and Time Travel (Why not?) [message #78524] Sat, 10 April 2004 16:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Of course its possible anything is possible when you have your imagination hat on. Razz

But if it is possible i would go back in time and make sure i was never born, or atleast make sure my dad never lost his job 5 years back.
Movies, Real Life, and Time Travel (Why not?) [message #78525] Sat, 10 April 2004 16:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Time Travel is possible. Maybe not on the scale as you'd find in a science fiction novel, but it does happen, and has happened (to a measurable scale) to a Russian Cosmonaut. He has travelled 1/50th of a second into the future.

How? It's pretty simple really: Time and Space are relative. The faster you go, the more time slows down. A really neat way to demonstrate this is to watch cars on the highway.

If you're travelling at 80km/h and the car beside you is travelling at 100km/h, he'll pass you relatively quickly. However, the more you speed up, the slower it APPEARS he is going. When you both match speeds, it makes the impression that he isn't moving at all. Moreso, if you go faster, it appears that he is falling behind you.

Is time travel possible? Yes. Is it feasible with our current understanding of the limitations of physics? No.



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Movies, Real Life, and Time Travel (Why not?) [message #78526] Sat, 10 April 2004 16:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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it APPEARS, but to go ahead into the future, you would have to go the speed of light. In Einstein's theory of relativity, it states that as you get closer and closer to the speed of light, you multiply in mass because of all the energy you're gaining. Once you get to the speed of light, your mass multiplies infinitely, therefore you are unable to go anyfaster.

I think what I said is right, I've been told that your mass doesn't multiply but i could swear that's what my teacher said.


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Movies, Real Life, and Time Travel (Why not?) [message #78527] Sat, 10 April 2004 16:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The theory of time and light is a bit comfusing:

If at the speed of light, time stops, then shouldn't there theoretically be light at every point of the universe all at once? I'm aware of the decelleration of light, but that still doesn't account for alot of empty space.



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Movies, Real Life, and Time Travel (Why not?) [message #78530] Sat, 10 April 2004 17:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I made a topic about this once. If any one wants to continue this conversation but with some more posiblitys just go to this http://www.renegadeforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=6635&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=
ITs about 7 pages of reading but its worth it i suppose. I think people want to travel though time becouse they want to cheat on their life but knowing the future does take away hope one of the onlyreasons why we humans contune living. I wouldnt be suprised if this all turns out to be something that is eventualy proven to be imposible. If we were to ever be able to manipulate time to our bidding it should only be to prevent war or to stop armegedon and nothing else. "knowing too much about one's future will jepridize their well being."

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Movies, Real Life, and Time Travel (Why not?) [message #78542] Sat, 10 April 2004 18:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The theory of time and light is a bit comfusing:

If at the speed of light, time stops, then shouldn't there theoretically be light at every point of the universe all at once? I'm aware of the decelleration of light, but that still doesn't account for alot of empty space.

Time does not stop at the speed of light.

The way "time travel" is viewed by Einstein's relativity is that if you - being an object with mass (not a photon of light) - will experience time (the space-time continuum, if you will) slower than on earth. It is relative, so for example while a period of time may seem to you like an hour, years may have passed on Earth, depending on how fast you are travelling. So then if you go back, it may have been an hour for you and a hundred years on Earth, so you have "travelled to the future." And since it has only been an hour for you, your body is only an hour older.

However, you do not need to go at the speed of light to experience the effects of time dilation. It even occurs at slower speeds - the effects are so small that we humans do not notice it. However, there was an experiment done a while ago with two jet planes travelling toward each other, both with atomic clocks onboard. The clocks' time readings were confirmed to be exactly the same before takeoff. When the planes landed, there was a time difference of about 0.0002 seconds IIRC. That means nothing to a person, but it is very noticable to an atomic clck.

So this explains how you can go to the future.

Now there is a way you can theoretically go to the past as well - my AP Physics teacher spent a few hours explaining the details of how, but I don't recall, and I don't think an incorrect explanation would help this thread too much Very Happy, so I'll leave that up to you to find online Very Happy.

The reason why we don't seem to have people from the future, from a theoretical standpoint, is that if you go back in time, you create your own timeline - your own universe - that is different from our "normal" one. So then because we live in the normal one, we don't see people from alternate ones.

But then this brings up the point of predestination...think about this - having a "normal" and an alternate timeline implies that you were not "supposed" to leave the normal timeline but you have. But then if everything you have done normally is part of the "normal" timeline, why is travelling to the past anything different. Let's say you just travelled back in time - if you were "supposed" to have taken the train this morning, for example, because you did so, weren't you "supposed" to have travelled back in time as you just did?...so then it does really come down to the idea of predestination - were you "supposed" to have done what you are doing. If not then how did something get screwed up? After this, the argument becomes quite strange and most people would zone out (if you're still reading my post.... Very Happy).

Anyway, the idea of time travel intrigues most people, and though a theoretical physicist would probably explain it all much better than I can, I think it's an interesting idea. If you read up on it, it becomes really scary - for example, if you go back in time to a time when you were alive, "you" from that time are still there, but now "you" from "now" are there. So there are two of "you." Let's say you do something and accidently kill an ancestor of yours - if you go back to the future, you are not going to your future - you are creating a new future (a new branch of the space-time continuum), and you would not exist in this future...

That reminded me - the movie Back to the Future (I, II, and III) from the 80's was quite interesting as brings a lot of these things into perspective (although the flux capacitor and the 83 mph speed may be just a tad off Very Happy).

Anyway, if you're still reading that's cool Smile I doubt very many people did so though - as the average attention span is like .02 seconds Smile

Maybe this clarified some things or confused you more than you wanted to be....


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Movies, Real Life, and Time Travel (Why not?) [message #78564] Sat, 10 April 2004 19:40 Go to previous message
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You people sure talk about some interesting shit here. I suggest checking out this link if you haven't already read this page: http://freespace.virgin.net/steve.preston/time1.html
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