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| The Passion of the Christ [message #71346] |
Sat, 13 March 2004 05:33  |
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Javaxcx
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Let me say this straight off the bat: This isn't a debate whether of not a bigotted post toward Christianity or Judiasm or any other religion that might come up.
I'm curious, what are some of your thoughts about how this movie was portrayed and what the message that Mel Gibson wanted to get across? While this is an opinion-based topic, it is a controversial one, hence why it's in this forum in case you're wondering.
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| The Passion of the Christ [message #71451] |
Sat, 13 March 2004 16:40  |
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almor999
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I think it was well done..
I don't think the gore takes away anything, it makes it realistic. This is probably going to be the movie with the biggest effect on people(christian or non christain) ever made; when i saw it the theater was dead quiet the whole movie except near the end when some people were crying.
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| The Passion of the Christ [message #71491] |
Sat, 13 March 2004 21:36 |
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Javaxcx
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My views on the film:
First off, it was extremely well done. Warranto is right, and I agree with him completely. This might just be because I am completely desensitized to violence, but I didn't find the gore out of the ordinary. I found it to be more personal because it was Jesus being torn apart, but aside from that, it really wasn't too different than playing a day's worth of Doom2 or something to that effect. When I was in the theatre, there was a young child there, couldn't have been more than 8 years old. She didn't look traumatized for life.
I do however, find the film to come off as anti-semetic, ONLY for the reason that it looks like the Jewish people are being portrayed as antagonists. Of course this is debatable, but that is just my own opinion of it.
While I don't know the Bible in and out, a few things in the film struck me as out of place: ***spoilers***
Jesus killing the snake in the garden: While I know the snake represented evil, the snake was nonetheless a living creature, so why did Jesus kill?
The seeming infinite amount of blood: Jesus bled so much that IMO he would have either contracted hypothemia from exposure, or simply bled to death. Remember that the guards did beat him after his "chastising". Moreso, even on the walk with the cross; with all the open bleeding wounds, how can his physical body endure so much without failing?
The raven pecking Gebble's (sp) eyes out: While I know that one of the men crucified with Jesus went to Heaven, the other went to hell, I don't remember a raven appearing and torturing him.
The destruction of the Temple and the shattering of the Tabernacle: Again, I don't recall (at least from my Catholic upbringing and exposer) that after Jesus' death, the Temple split OR the Tabernacle shattered. And if this DID happen, wouldn't the Jewish people have reformed?
Just some questions, perhaps someone can enlighten me.
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| The Passion of the Christ [message #71494] |
Sat, 13 March 2004 21:46 |
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lol.. ya, those were some problems. Not enough to be found "offensive" though.
*spoiler*
The Snake was evil, being sent by satan himself (yes that bald guy was satan). So it was more an act of defiance. True it seemed like a living creature, but it could have easily been an incarnation. (Thats a guess by the way).
Jesus didn't actually bleed THAT much. Realistic to the wounds or not, the amount of blood lost would have been enough to severly weaken him, but didn't seem enough to kill him. Besides (to use a religious "excuse", he IS the son of God  )
I don't remember the raven either, but it was an interesting addition. Not really affecting the realism of it.
Ah, the earthquake. This one I did have a bit of a problem with, only because it seemed a bit excessive. I've never heard of that one either.
Remember though, Gibson is a methodist (or is it mormon) or something like that, so in ignorance, I'm going to say maybe this is true to their version of events.
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| The Passion of the Christ [message #71496] |
Sat, 13 March 2004 21:54 |
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Javaxcx
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***Spoiler***
Yes, while the snake WAS sent by satan, does that mean that if satan sent say... a moose, Jesus would kill that too? Just a confusion...
Uh, lets see... Yeah, I'm still not really convinced about the amazing amount of bloodloss. Remember, Jesus had to sit in that cold cell bleeding for who KNOWS how many hours while being tormented by people who really didn't seem to have any kind of remorse.
On that note, I was a bit confused on how those Roman's could possibly beat on Jesus so much after they were present to the hearing of Pilot (or were they?) and would have looked on Jesus with as much criminal intent as a crazy begger preaching random sayings -- as opposed to a known murderer. I'm not really convinced that the Roman's could have been so remoseless -- until of course, the end of the crucifixion when they were giving him WATER, ffs. A friend brought up the notion that perhaps they were drunk, and that is possibly the only way I can see them being totally merciless and disregarding of Jesus' well being -- even as a prisoner.
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| The Passion of the Christ [message #71497] |
Sat, 13 March 2004 22:03 |
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warranto
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As the Germans learned. the best way to tourture someone on a continuous basis is to get someone who loves doing it. The two people whipping/scourging Jesus, and the person in charge wouldn't have been at the hearing, as they would have, I'm guessing, only been called on if they were needed.
As for the moose, it would be hilarious to see. Human nature is to avoid confict with things bigger than ourselves, plus he had no real way of dealing with it, so I'm not really prepared to say what would happen.
Again about the blood, don't quote me on it this. But I think that when you revieve the type of wounds Jesus did, the total amount of blood loss wouldn't be so bad after a while. If you noticed at the end, he was only dripping blood from the wounds, a few drop from his arm at a time. I'm only assuming that thats how they bled the entire time.
Edit: not trying to argue this point with you, but rather provide a possible alternative. Plausable or not.
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| The Passion of the Christ [message #71554] |
Sun, 14 March 2004 10:13 |
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the whole event took a total of 12 hours. so he would not have been sitting in a cell that long. romans are heartless and crucifixion was to strike fear in the people's minds, so of course it would be horrible. the temple torn into 2...it's in the Bible, i dont' know where, but it's in one of the gospels. after all, jesus is the son of man, the romans realized who he was and what they were doing to him, they had compassion and possibly remorse from their actions. anti-semetic, no, it was the jewish people who condemned him to death because they knew that God was going to send a king to them to rule over them. jesus claimed to be that king, they thought their king was going to be a ruler, and they blamed him for blasphemy. it can't be anti-semetic if it shows the truth. and finally, mel gibson is an extreme catholic. he believes that the bible should only be read in latin (or whatever it is) and done strictly.
whoa.
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| The Passion of the Christ [message #71764] |
Mon, 15 March 2004 12:25 |
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Would it hurt to read the source and find out?
Yes the curtain seperating the holy of holies from the rest of the temple tore in two, yes there was a massive earthquake, yes the sky darkened and yes the dead rose and walked into Jerusalem where they were seen by many.
Read all four Gospels, as there are slightly differing accounts. (No four eyewitnesses ever see exactly the same thing) You will see four different perspectives of the same event, but they all agree on the main points, and support each other well. Considering they were written anywhere from 10 to 40 years after the account, this is an acceptable margin for disparity. Even non-christian accounts record the death of the christ. See the works of Josephus. He was a Jewish historian during the Roman occupation.
I find it ironic that people will read 4 different sources when debating politics, but when it comes to the Bible, they won't even read the one.
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| The Passion of the Christ [message #73573] |
Wed, 24 March 2004 12:38 |
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Thank you, Kirby. I was just about to break my silence to say that. And in addition, Satan took the form of a snake in the Garden of Eden at the beginnings of man and was cursed to crawl on his belly (snakes used to have legs?? lol). I haven't seen the movie yet and to be honest I've only glanced at most of these posts, but I am extremely educated in the Bible as I was brought up non-denominational Protestant.
I never even knew this movie was in production until it came out. A movie I will definitely be seeing ... and alone.
-Sean
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| The Passion of the Christ [message #73758] |
Thu, 25 March 2004 10:34 |
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warranto
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ALL Religions say that though. It wouldn't BE a religion if they acknowledged that their way was wrong and you should worship another God.
And, just for clarification, Praying to someone is fine. The first commandment states "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." The saints and Jesus' monther, Mary are NOT Gods. Nor do we worship them as such.
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So I feel Gibson is going to skew this movie to he hard-line views and expect us to take it.
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Though I'm a little confused by this statement... what is it we're not supposed to take from this movie? It's all taken straight out of the bible. The only stuff that could even be potentially false are the particulars not mentioned. Jesus WAS betrayed, WAS whipped and scourged, DID have to carry the cross, WAS crucified, DID die and was taken down, and DID rise on the third day. Thats all the movie showed, so how i this taking hard-line views and scewing the movie because of it?
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