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| pooling resorces [message #63822] |
Tue, 27 January 2004 16:04   |
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Titan1x77
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Theres nothing stopping anyone from pooling resources.
You guys want to get a team together for a map,Just PM who you want or post up that your looking for help...if someone leaves a negative post,just ignore it,it's only bumping your post up to the top anyway...If it gets locked then it's another story.
Im involved with a few mod teams and have my own projects,So im not down to take on anymore....besides for the most part im not going to be mapping for reengade anymore.
But im willing to share whatever I have created with anyone...Just PM me.
"But if the gameplay sucks, the looks don't matter at all." - Sir Phoenixx
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| pooling resorces [message #63913] |
Wed, 28 January 2004 17:37 |
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Cpo64
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Ah, so what you want is for people to hold your hand and walk you everywhere like a two year old child? How about we spoon feed you, too? You need to do MOST of it on your own, that's why the tutorials are made, so you can help yourself, not have someone babying you over it.
For your sake, I sincerely hope that you don't have this mentality in real life.
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The experience of development can be more enjoyable with mature collaboration.
No one said anything about spoon-feeding; we are talking about equal partnership to create a quality product.
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| pooling resorces [message #63914] |
Wed, 28 January 2004 17:40 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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But getting help making mods is apparently the same thing as cheating...
EDIT: Oops, clicked the Submit button too early, I meant to add that the communtiy working together to make several large, well-crafted mods with lots of ideas is better than having lots of tiny sucky mods running around that no one likes.
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| pooling resorces [message #63919] |
Wed, 28 January 2004 18:41 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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I guess at this point I'm just interested to know exactly what seperates a bunch of people collaborating together to make a better mod and a so-called "mod team" different from each other?
Don't they both consist of people working together for the common good?
Or is it just not official enough?
Sadly, [or not so sadly] the Renegade mod scene is not the same as the real world, in that there is not money floating around. When money is not involved, things can be a lot more laid back and un-official.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| pooling resorces [message #63920] |
Wed, 28 January 2004 19:01 |
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Cpo64
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| Aircraftkiller |
That's what a "mod team" is for.
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Not quite, the term "Mod Team" leads one to believe that it would be creating a full fledged mod, like Renegade Alert or Reborn, who completely modify the game, following a different storyline, etc. All this group would be doing is taking Renegade, and adding things that were not shipped with the game.
Lets say someone wanted to make a Nod Air base where all the Vehicles are built and shipped off to the war zones.
One person could do it, but it would be simpler in design, and probably take a while to make. Now if one person did the terrain, another did the Construction complexes and other buildings, another to do stuff like animation, extra characters vehicles and skins. Not only would it be much more complex in appearance, but it would get done faster, (assuming the team worked well together.)
The goals of these teams would not be to make something shiny and new never before seen by human eyes, but to add to the game, making it more robust and introducing new styles of play.
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| pooling resorces [message #63922] |
Wed, 28 January 2004 19:07 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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...which in turn would help Renegade stay alive longer by adding fresh new content to keep people interested.
Now, alone, perhaps none of these people would want to take up this project. But, in the hypothetical end, they create a succesful mod and everyone is happy. All because of their sissy baby technique of splitting up the workload. All because of teamwork.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| pooling resorces [message #63923] |
Wed, 28 January 2004 19:37 |
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But, in the hypothetical end, they create a succesful mod and everyone is happy.
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But getting help making mods is apparently the same thing as cheating...
EDIT: Oops, clicked the Submit button too early, I meant to add that the communtiy working together to make several large, well-crafted mods with lots of ideas is better than having lots of tiny sucky mods running around that no one likes.
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I guess at this point I'm just interested to know exactly what seperates a bunch of people collaborating together to make a better mod and a so-called "mod team" different from each other?
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They're not talking about making a mod, this is about them trying to get a team to create a SINGLE map, you don't need a team of people to create a single map.
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| pooling resorces [message #63924] |
Wed, 28 January 2004 19:46 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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I got the impression that they were going to put new content into the map, hence, mod. However, last I checked, there wasn't a law against a team of people making a single map. I, for instance, can't skin to save my life, but I could mkae something half-decent. A team of people like that with diversified talents could make a map in no time at all. Of course, if you want to make a map yourself, then by all means do so. But don't condemn other people because they don't.
EDIT: My internet filter went haywire, had to edit to make post readable, please pardon any dashes in the middle of words.
EDIT: Stupid internet thing...pardon poor spelling, it was necessary.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| pooling resorces [message #63925] |
Wed, 28 January 2004 19:49 |
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Cpo64
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| Sir Phoenixx |
you don't need a team of people to create a single map.
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Your absolutly correct, you don't need a team of people to create a single map, but to create more complex maps, it would spead up the process, and with a good team create a better looking/playing map.
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| pooling resorces [message #63931] |
Wed, 28 January 2004 20:32 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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Well, if Cpo64's statement wasn't obvious enough, let me try and make it simpler...
Timmy is building himself a potato gun. He has three main parts he needs to finish. First, he needs to cut the pipes down to size and glue them together. Second, he needs to file an edge on one of the pipes so the potatoe will be cut into an airtight plug when it is shoved down the barrel. Thirdly, he needs to drill a hole in an end cap and attach a sparker. Timmy has two friends who would gladly help him build his potatoe gun. Should he:
A) Blow off his friends and make all the parts himself, wasting his whole afternoon so he can say that he did the whole thing himself and not have to share credit with anyone.
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B) Let his friends help him, and each of them does one task, so they build the cannon very quickly and get to shoot potatoes all afternoon, and inspire cooperation elsewhere in the neighbourhood, and eventually the whole neighbourhood gets together and builds an enormous tree house that takes up four trees and has six seperate rooms.
Now, lets think about which option looks more appealing....
If you can't get this......wow.......
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| pooling resorces [message #63933] |
Wed, 28 January 2004 21:09 |
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Cpo64
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So far I have seen three sides to this argument...
One side says its a good idea worth a try, besides, what can go wrong, other then a map not get made? How does that impact anyone? Even if a crap map is made, who cares? Look at how many crap maps there already is!
Another is simply sitting on the fence. There probaly is a few reasons for this but none of those are important.
The final side, beleves that this should not be done. This side, I beleve to be loseing, all they can do is insult, and try to counter the very solid points being made. You have failed, back off, and let us try. If we fail, then you can laugh at us all you want, (not like I will care,) and if we succed in makeing a good map, then all the better for the community right?
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| pooling resorces [message #63937] |
Wed, 28 January 2004 21:29 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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As you said, the only real problem with big teams working on maps is people actually doing things. I for one don't think the people who started this topic off are capable of much of anything. [But it would make me happy if you proved me wrong] PLEASE NOTE anyone who was arguing against me earlier that I was not debating whether or not the people who started this topic could make a good map by being a team. I do not believe this. I was arguing that experienced people working together would make a good map, nothing more. Back to the topic of people producing nothing - what a good map/mod/call-it-what-you-will team needs is one or two experienced mappers/modders/call-them-what-you-will and then a work team of 3-5 less experienced people who could contribute ideas and then work on them with techniques they pick up from others. The only thing everyone needs is a strong work ethic - without that they are nothing. I'd be willing to do a bit of mapping for said future team if I ever get the Renegade Public Tools to install right, but I think that's a spyware problem that's corrupting my downloads...
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| pooling resorces [message #63940] |
Wed, 28 January 2004 21:52 |
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SomeRhino
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In my opinion, I think that doing a map with other people would be counter-productive. You would only be able to work on it when the other folks weren't. You would most likely disagree on a variety of things. Levels are one of, if not the most artistic peice of mod development. People have different ideas on how things should look, and prefer certain aspects over other ones. For example, I tend to prefer clear night and sunset settings for my maps, while Aircraftkiller seems to delight in cloudy/foggy and midday settings (correct me if I'm wrong, ACK, but that's what I've determined from the maps you've made.) Aircraftkiller and I probably would not be able to agree on a setting if we did this sort of "group map" thing.
Also, there is a level of motivation that comes with doing your own work. When others are taking part in the same work, you can shrug poor map qualities onto the other members. It's sort of the same reason why central planning doesn't work, I suppose.
That's what I think, at least. They might be personal problems with me though, because I have never been able to work well with large or even small developement teams.
Dri Reign
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| pooling resorces [message #64303] |
Sat, 31 January 2004 10:37 |
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hey! some kindish words from ACK! THANX!
ok, Im glad to see all the suport this idea has been getting. the future is looking good. the hinder thing shouldnt matter. letts say some one is really good at making buildings, one at terrain, another at skinning, another at moddling veicals. they should contribute their moddles to the community. heck, and if you want credit, (on vehicles for example) put your name or something on the side (make it look like a company name or something) and call it a day. and hopefully some honest ppl will put your name in the readme. for one thing, I know i will put contributions in the readme, neer the top, as those are the most important things.
speaking of which, I could use some veical mods for a map I am making. I havent had time lately (STUPID SCHOOL!), but contributions now, while the project is temporaraly suspended, would move this along faster. if yall want to contribute, you can PM, E-mail, or IM me about it. any help would be much apreciated. if yall want, I could even get a few scrnshots for ya.
"you cant demand respect, you have to earn it." -- Dufis791 (me)
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| pooling resorces [message #64568] |
Sun, 01 February 2004 10:55 |
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any takers on the above?
I promis the map (when finnished) will be available to edit for future maps (if desired). the readme file will include rules for changing it.
"you cant demand respect, you have to earn it." -- Dufis791 (me)
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