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| New in the BlackCell servers [message #61366] |
Sat, 10 January 2004 13:32   |
msgtpain
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| Twizdid |
Somthing was said about the pits and some other server using vlokts building log script without permission (the pistol in the wf and ob) Then the thread on n00bstories, one thing lead to another now he doesnt want to release it.
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I'm sorry, but this is absolutely ridiculous. I've sent a PM to vlokt on the black-cell's own forums and he doesn't even want to reply, so until HE comes in here and puts in his two cents, please stop telling us all the reasons YOU think he doesn't want to release it now.
A few weeks ago someone came to me and said that someone was working on a scripts.dll that adds more info to the server log file. We've been looking for someone to do that for quite a while now, as it will help me build a better statistics program for a tournament we've been wanting to have for a long time at The Pits.
I was given this scripts, told not to share it and did just that, in fact, I never even said a word to anyone that I had it. When I realized there were little bugs like the spawn pistol, I removed it from the FDS so it didn't cause any weird things to happen in the game.
ALL I was evaluating was the output to the log file, what it reported and trying to figure out what I would have to change in gamebot to pick up on these types of new entries.
I never said a word to anyone, in fact, I asked the person that gave it to me if I was allowed to output the small bit of new information to IRC that it reported, like building kills. I was told that I would have to inquire about that with Vlokt, so I NEVER DID, because I had no clue where this "Vlokt" person could be found. All I knew was that someone in the development community had shared something that they were working on, and I was helping to test it out on a large server to see how it worked.
We never had any intention of "using it without giving credit to the creator" or whatever other bullshit you all are spewing around; and it's really insulting to have all of you even make those accusations against me and my community. Please, tell me what The Pits has even done to BC Serv?
You don't want to share your scripts? I have no problem with that. But don't start talking shit like we've stolen your stuff and tried to take credit for it, and now you're cutting us out of the loop; that is pure nonsense.
if the creator doesn't respond to me, I can't very well get his permission to use it now can I?
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| New in the BlackCell servers [message #61368] |
Sat, 10 January 2004 13:38 |
msgtpain
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| Aircraftkiller |
with the unbalanced sniping units and the shitload of credits and points they get off of heavy vehicles for doing almost no damage to them...
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yea, and with its unbalanced Helicopter units that can ram their rotors in to bridges and see through them then smash in to the ground as they try to kill the one measily little sniper charecter that they are so deathly afraid of..
There are tons of unbalanced units in the game, I agree...
Unless of course, you take the game as A WHOLE, and realize that each little unit has a particular place.
If it was a game of only APC's and Engies it would suck just as bad.. can you imagine how many little techs one single APC could run over if nothing could shoot back at them? Yea.. same scenario with your flying units ack.. get over it.
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| New in the BlackCell servers [message #61385] |
Sat, 10 January 2004 15:41 |
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SS217
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Location: USA
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I've yet to see the game be completely thrown off because of this, it makes the game more fun, it makes it harder, and if you kill someone you deserve their weapon.
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| New in the BlackCell servers [message #61386] |
Sat, 10 January 2004 15:54 |
msgtpain
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| Aircraftkiller |
Everything in the game balances out if it were kept in line with the RTS.
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How many vehicles and troops could you group together and command to attack one single point in the RTS?
And how do you do that in the FPS?
That's right.. you can't... so changes have been made to account for that.
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| New in the BlackCell servers [message #61404] |
Sat, 10 January 2004 17:16 |
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Blazer
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Registered: February 2003
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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| Twizdid |
Somthing was said about the pits and some other server using vlokts building log script without permission (the pistol in the wf and ob) Then the thread on n00bstories, one thing lead to another now he doesnt want to release it.
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That was my fault. I am the one that gave a copy of the scripts.dll to msgtpain, but I did so with the following restrictions:
1. He was to tell nobody about it.
2. He was to share it with no-one.
3. No in-game messages to indicate that it was in use.
4. It was only to be used to evaluate if the extra output, both to see if it interfered with GameBots normal operation, and so he could write some code to use the full release version when it became available.
My reason for giving it to him was that I knew that vloktboky was going to publically release this cool server-side mod, and I wanted Shane to have a headstart on parsing the kind of output it created. I specifically told him not to actually "use" it and AFAIK he held true to his word. The only reason anyone knew he was testing it was the floating pistol glitch.
I honestly don't remember if vloktboky told me not to let anyone else see or use the early scripts.dll he gave me, but I probably should have just asked him if msgtpain could test it too, so I accept responsibility for that screwup, and vloktboky, if you are reading this I apologize. I had no intention of trying to "leak" the scripts.dll file. I completely trust Shane and I figured since it was going to be public soon anyway he could get a headstart on adding support to gamebot for it.
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| New in the BlackCell servers [message #61405] |
Sat, 10 January 2004 17:31 |
Twizdid
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Registered: January 2004
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| Aircraftkiller |
Yeah, a lot of things would make sense if they were based off realism, but this isn't realistic. It's Command & Conquer.
RTS rules still apply. That is why, unless weapon spawns are on, each soldier has a set amount of weapons for their class type.
You can't honestly tell me that a SBH with a Ramjet Rifle and every other weapon under the sun would be balanced. It'd be neat for DM, but not for C&C. This shit just turns it into more of a deathmatch than it already is with the unbalanced sniping units and the shitload of credits and points they get off of heavy vehicles for doing almost no damage to them...
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But for that to happen they would have to kill each and everyone of these units, make it to the weapon before someone else gets it and pray they get lucky, theres a percent chance it will spawn armour or the weapon, like a ramjet will only spawn 25% of the time, a sniper rifle 50%, remote c4 off an engineer, 50%, an engineer strength repair gun off a hotty/tech 50%.
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| New in the BlackCell servers [message #61408] |
Sat, 10 January 2004 17:46 |
Twizdid
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msgtpain, if you are trying to contact vloktboky still all I can sugest is that you come on the blackcell irc network and page him directly. irc.black-cell.net.
Ack as you say flying units are broken, so are snipers, most of the units can probably be called broken but these inbalances balance out.. if that makes sense. Like in an apachee your scared of havocs. It may not be very realistic but it still balances out.
http://web.black-cell.net/dragonade.txt
is what the server side script does, im not meaning this to be like were waving it in your face etc, its to show ack how the script isnt so much a deathmatch type thing and can be used in normal c&c with no inbalances.
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| New in the BlackCell servers [message #61433] |
Sat, 10 January 2004 19:30 |
Nanakasse
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Registered: October 2003
Location: Pakungalandia
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ack i know you really hate BC, but you havent try the script, so i think you should not talk about something you havent try, now read and enjoy what the ppl having fun with cause they like it, btw if it get realesed, we aint going to put a gun in your head "ACK you must use this script or we shot j00".
For what?
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| New in the BlackCell servers [message #61437] |
Sat, 10 January 2004 20:31 |
Twizdid
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Well, its your opinion, but I just cant see how you can have a valid point when youve not played a game with it.
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| New in the BlackCell servers [message #61439] |
Sat, 10 January 2004 21:09 |
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Aircraftkiller
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I got myself banned? Umm, no, actually you had me banned since you couldn't take the shit you were dishing out.
Setting the record straight, I joined as JupitersK because I didn't want to get DoS attacked by Abarrat's friends. He had been doing that quite often using Relay to get my IP off of WOL.
So I join up and play like I had been before. I die to someone using the damage hack, combined with big head, considering I was behind the bunker by Nod's base on Islands. After that, I couldn't damage anything. It gave me the neutral damage issue where you cannot do any sort of damage to anything, including negative damage. It also prevents you from gaining credits if you fire at anything registered as a game object; structures, soldiers, vehicles, static objects, etc...
So I exclaim that I have the "zero bug" problem. Scrumfy does a series of !msg saying that I'm cheating, etc... I page the server telling them that I'm not cheating, that it was caused by the death by a Final Renegade user. Of course, he cites my alternate nickname and says that I was there to test out cheats.
1. If I was going to cheat, I would have had a hell of a lot more points and kills than I did.
2. I fucking SAID that I was Aircraftkiller when I joined, and I stated the exact reason as to why I joined under that nickname, because of the fear of being DoS attacked. :rolleyes:
Go ahead and keep lying to yourself Scrunchy. BC has nothing that other servers do not, beyond Scripts.dll modifications that Dante or NeoSaber could write.
Do I ever have a valid point? I don't know, that's all subjective. What isn't is that you're speaking ad hominem like a motherfucker and expect that to make up for your lack of knowledge in the subject you're writing about. Kudos, champ.
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| New in the BlackCell servers [message #61440] |
Sat, 10 January 2004 21:43 |
Scrumfy
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Registered: February 2003
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| Aircraftkiller |
I got myself banned? Umm, no, actually you had me banned since you couldn't take the shit you were dishing out.
Setting the record straight, I joined as JupitersK because I didn't want to get DoS attacked by Abarrat's friends. He had been doing that quite often using Relay to get my IP off of WOL.
So I join up and play like I had been before. I die to someone using the damage hack, combined with big head, considering I was behind the bunker by Nod's base on Islands. After that, I couldn't damage anything. It gave me the neutral damage issue where you cannot do any sort of damage to anything, including negative damage. It also prevents you from gaining credits if you fire at anything registered as a game object; structures, soldiers, vehicles, static objects, etc...
So I exclaim that I have the "zero bug" problem. Scrumfy does a series of !msg saying that I'm cheating, etc... I page the server telling them that I'm not cheating, that it was caused by the death by a Final Renegade user. Of course, he cites my alternate nickname and says that I was there to test out cheats.
1. If I was going to cheat, I would have had a hell of a lot more points and kills than I did.
2. I fucking SAID that I was Aircraftkiller when I joined, and I stated the exact reason as to why I joined under that nickname, because of the fear of being DoS attacked. :rolleyes:
Go ahead and keep lying to yourself Scrunchy. BC has nothing that other servers do not, beyond Scripts.dll modifications that Dante or NeoSaber could write.
Do I ever have a valid point? I don't know, that's all subjective. What isn't is that you're speaking ad hominem like a motherfucker and expect that to make up for your lack of knowledge in the subject you're writing about. Kudos, champ.
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I don't think you realize the other half of the story. You know, where you made graphic death threats and practically busted an artery on AIM, after I banned you. Then there's also your shitty attitude which was the real reason for the ban. So yes, you did earn it. And if Dante could write all of this, then why doesn't he? Why are you all bitching and moaning? Why am I still here, other than to laugh at your pathetic attempts at replies? We may never know...
Edit: Well shit, look what I found...
Aircraftkiller: I'd actually kill you
Aircraftkiller: Just put a knife into that nice little artery on the side of your throat and rip it upward towards your face, severing any vital connections between your brain and your spine
Aircraftkiller: Though I'd feel sorry that I had to do that to anyone.
Aircraftkiller: Enjoy the mental imagery, I'm sure you'll find a way to use it somewhere.
Aircraftkiller signed off at 11:40:19 PM.
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| New in the BlackCell servers [message #61445] |
Sat, 10 January 2004 22:22 |
Scrumfy
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Edit: Well shit, look what I found...
Aircraftkiller: I'd actually kill you
Aircraftkiller: Just put a knife into that nice little artery on the side of your throat and rip it upward towards your face, severing any vital connections between your brain and your spine
Aircraftkiller: Though I'd feel sorry that I had to do that to anyone.
Aircraftkiller: Enjoy the mental imagery, I'm sure you'll find a way to use it somewhere.
Aircraftkiller signed off at 11:40:19 PM.
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You could have made that up, the only way to prove it would be to take a screen shot of the conversation, then post the picture of it here.
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Too bad I only have it saved in .htm format as per AIM's system...Besides, he knows he said it, and I know he said it, so frankly, I don't care if you believe me or not.
Anyway, I just expect him to come back with a brilliant response like "Murderers are people too!"
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| New in the BlackCell servers [message #61447] |
Sat, 10 January 2004 22:43 |
vloktboky
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Location: Kentucky, USA
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I'm pretty much at a loss of words looking at all of this right now. I woke up today after a 12 hour sleep that was suppose to be a 2 hour nap, funny how a simple thing like an alarm clock can screw up your day. What I awoke to was about 15 IM windows all with this link pasted in them, 6 PM windows in IRC with this link pasted in them, and as soon as I spoke one word on IRC, I was again told of this link. I thought this was something very important like EA announcing the discontinuing of WOL or something very big, but instead I see a 2 page topic of some of the more better known names from this community fueding it out over my work. It's funny how these things can turn into riots when you don't have all the facts, so let me fill everyone in on what has happened, what is going on now, and what will happen in the near future.
First of all, yes I did write an early version of a script that logged building kills and when a player is killed to the FDS/renlog. At first, this was only being used for our bot that we use to manage the Black-Cell servers with, which we call DragonServ. However, I was soon asked by Whitedragon, who Blazer was talking through, if I could make him a similar one that logged directly to the renlog that the FDS spits out. Figuring I could use this moment to show that we aren't this bad group to ren that doesn't care about the community (and don't laugh at that if you find it to be true, read first), I agreed and started work on converting it to match what Blazer wanted. I finished it, sent it to him after a few tries, and all seemed good. I then turned my attention to making SSM, or the Server Sniper Mod. The first version got done around christmas, and I was pretty happy with it. Sure there were a few bugs which I have fixed already (the newer version was released yesterday or 2 days ago, can't quite remember, http://web.black-cell.net/server_sniper_mod.zip), but it turned out nicely. Then, I started work on smaller projects that have evolved into what I call Dragonade. It was around this time that I started noticing screen shots of the "floating pistol bug" on the Pits' forums. This is a bug that resulted in some bad coding that I had fixed in our version already, so I knew that somehow msgtpain had gotten my work. Yes, I was a little ticked at this, because I had a feeling if that sort of error rose up, and everyone had gotten it, it would make my coding look bad. This is why I haven't released any of my work, because I don't WANT to release it UNTIL it is fully working. Getting back on the topic, I knew that if I were to give my work away, it would go to others, and those bugs could ruin the gameplay for others. So, I decided on keeping everything to myself and using our servers to test it before releasing anything to the public. Yes, I should have told this right off the bat to everyone that I knew, but I didn't think it would evolve into something like this topic. I guess I was wrong.
As it stands, my work is still being worked on. Just last night, and really the reason why I didn't go to bed until noon yesterday, was because I came up with a temporary solution that would let me get player names and data from scripts.dll working on our bot. I still have a lot of stuff I want to do, and as a result, I will not give this "Dragonade" out to anyone. Why? Because like I stated above, it isn't done, and the last thing I want to see is a bunch of servers running it, some exploit is found, and the gameplay is ruined for everyone who plays on those servers. It is not because I hate the community, that's a different story, but these kind of topics do fuel into that other story quite easily. If you get on renegade sometime, you will notice a server we are running, "BCServInf". This is using a special version of SSM that is made for infantry only servers (http://web.black-cell.net/infonly.txt). If it works out fine at the end of the weekend, it shall be released then as well.
Blazer, your building log is coming next. I would have had it sooner, but the CD I put your version of the scripts on got severly damaged from an accident that I wish not to speak about, I ruined a good pair of jeans as well. I am rewritting your work, and trying to remember what all you wanted. I will have it done soon, and you will get it. I told you in that IM window a few days back that I will give it to you.
Msgtpain, if you want to use it, all you have to do is ask. I stated my reasons as to why I don't want a whole lot of servers using it yet, but if you want to take the risk and use it, you may. Also, I just now noticed that you sent me a PM on our forums. I never check those things, so I am sorry if it seemd as though I was ignoring you. I wasn't, just blind that you tried to contact me. I feel as though what I have just said is enough to answer that PM.
Now please, stop flaming one another and go back to managing your servers, or whatever it is you do in the day. I will continue to work on things to better help this game, and I will release my work WHEN I feel it is ready for the public.
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