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RenGuard Logical Diagram [message #55456] Wed, 19 November 2003 17:44 Go to next message
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This is just a basic diagram I created to help explain how Renguard will work. This is just a simplified graphical "big picture" view of how the system works.

http://www.n00bstories.com/image.fetch.php?id=1223161356

EDIT: ugh the pic is a bit large, sorry it's a first draft, I will scale it down and make it more understandable. I just wanted to get something out here to help people understand how RG works.


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RenGuard Logical Diagram [message #55458] Wed, 19 November 2003 18:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Majiin Vegeta is currently offline  Majiin Vegeta
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hmm not how i thought.. but ok Very Happy

btw..the pic looks great except those kiddy arrows showing direction of communication O_o
RenGuard Logical Diagram [message #55467] Wed, 19 November 2003 20:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I didn't know there were any master servers.
Is that needed?

What if you decide not to cheat ever again, but you are still banned from every server using RenGuard?

Should be more like:

SSC --join request--> Server --checking client--> SSC-> Server (A-OK message)

And it should check that every time because if you are permanently banned from every server at once for cheating once, it''ll kill the game.


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RenGuard Logical Diagram [message #55470] Wed, 19 November 2003 21:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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IRON-FART

And it should check that every time because if you are permanently banned from every server at once for cheating once, it''ll kill the game.


No it wouldn't. For one, not everyone cheats, so the game will still go one. For two, you shouldn't be cheating in the first place. If you're cheating, you deserve not to be able to play on ANY server. Period.


RenGuard Logical Diagram [message #55472] Wed, 19 November 2003 21:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What if you decide not to cheat ever again, but you are still banned from every server using RenGuard?

I dought anyone will decide to cheat with Renguard But anyway, there should be a warning system, first time cheating = temp ban for say, 1 week, next time is perm ban.
RenGuard Logical Diagram [message #55473] Wed, 19 November 2003 21:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I didn't know there were any master servers.
Is that needed?




will save on that tiny bit of bandwith it will use

as the server just needs the messages to kick them.. i think O_o
RenGuard Logical Diagram [message #55477] Wed, 19 November 2003 22:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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First time banning might be advantageous from the stand point that if someone invents a new cheat people may not want to try it in case RenGuard catches it ......
Because they will be banned if it does. :sneaky:

However on the flip side it could create a lot of panic if RenGuard accidently incorrectly identifies a new map/mod as a cheat and bans a bunch of people. :twisted:
RenGuard Logical Diagram [message #55480] Wed, 19 November 2003 23:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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However on the flip side it could create a lot of panic if RenGuard accidently incorrectly identifies a new map/mod as a cheat and bans a bunch of people. :twisted:


In the event that this happens, RenGuard is fixed, those who are wrongly banned are unbanned and all is well. There should never be a reason for someone to even "test" a cheat in a public server, so a Zero-Tolerance attitude should be enforced. There is no reason to give cheaters multiple chances.


RenGuard Logical Diagram [message #55481] Wed, 19 November 2003 23:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I dont believe we are implementing a global ban...the master servers are there to verify the integrity of the files on the clients. AFAIK if you are banned from a server for cheating, you aren't banned from ALL the RG servers. There may be an option for server owners to use a global ban list, those details are still being discussed.
RenGuard Logical Diagram [message #55585] Fri, 21 November 2003 03:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Its actually better to kick them first.

Because you can page them once they get back to the lobby.
This has the advantage that any text will not scroll off the screen since it will be in one of the popup windows.

Hence if its a noob who needs to download Renguard its easier for them to write down the download intructions.

Gib.
RenGuard Logical Diagram [message #55594] Fri, 21 November 2003 06:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Its actually better to kick them first.

Because you can page them once they get back to the lobby.
This has the advantage that any text will not scroll off the screen since it will be in one of the popup windows.

Hence if its a noob who needs to download Renguard its easier for them to write down the download intructions.

Gib.


when you get kicked.. you cant see kicked messages.. untill you join a new game or join the chat room.. most people dont know this
RenGuard Logical Diagram [message #55609] Fri, 21 November 2003 09:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That's because most programs are coded to page them immediately after the kick. They need to actually page them about 2-3 seconds later.

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RenGuard Logical Diagram [message #55645] Fri, 21 November 2003 16:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That's because most programs are coded to page them immediately after the kick. They need to actually page them about 2-3 seconds later.


hmm :S

i was paged have a dozen times after i got kicked out of a server.. i had to join the chat channel before i could see the messages O_o

how about it PM them once they join give it 5 seconds then kick them.. O_o
RenGuard Logical Diagram [message #55666] Fri, 21 November 2003 17:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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This is fine for small pieces of infomation such as:

"You are about to be kicked because you are cheating"

However if you want to give more complex information or a URL to download something, the player will need more time to grab a pen and paper to write it down (Before it scrolls off the screen).

I will have a play tonight, to see if I can be paged after I am kicked.
RenGuard Logical Diagram [message #55680] Fri, 21 November 2003 21:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You appear to be correct (at least in WOL mode).

If someone is kicked from a game. There appears to be a bug in Renegade that they no longer receive pages in the Lobby. The only way I could find to re-enable the pages was to log out of WOL and back in again.


NOTE: If the messages are send immediately after the kick and before the player clicks on the "You were kicked" message the messages appear (faintly) on the top left of the screen.

Gib
RenGuard Logical Diagram [message #55689] Fri, 21 November 2003 23:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Don't forget that a message will be sent to the renguard client as well. So even if you get the exit to desktop bug or something, the Renguard client will still have a message that you were kicked, and why.
RenGuard Logical Diagram [message #55695] Sat, 22 November 2003 01:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That would be a good idea.
Having a message box:
"You were kicked from XXXXXXXXXXXXX Server for attempting to cheat"

lol that reminds me........
Renguard will kick people before they can actually cheat, right?
Isn't that like Minority Report??
LOL

Stop a crime, before it happens......rofl


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RenGuard Logical Diagram [message #55708] Sat, 22 November 2003 04:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Don't forget that a message will be sent to the renguard client as well. So even if you get the exit to desktop bug or something, the Renguard client will still have a message that you were kicked, and why.


but those without renguard wont recive that message Razz
RenGuard Logical Diagram [message #55712] Sat, 22 November 2003 06:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Majiin Vegeta

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Don't forget that a message will be sent to the renguard client as well. So even if you get the exit to desktop bug or something, the Renguard client will still have a message that you were kicked, and why.


but those without renguard wont recive that message Razz


Can't please all of the people all of the time. If they can't see by the name of the server, the various pages they will get etc, to know anything about RenGuard, then I guess too bad for them. I don't think we want to abandon the whole anti-cheat project just because a couple of people will get kicked and they are too dumb to read a forum or server messages Smile
RenGuard Logical Diagram [message #55904] Tue, 25 November 2003 17:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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you should probably make it so that it doesn't work on unladderd games. because most cheats, i belive, only work in unladderd games. that would be very stupid if you kicked somebody from an unladderd game if the cheat does not give them any help on ladder points. and wasnt the point of unladderd games to make it so that you can cheat? or just for practice?

and will this just be for the servers that download renguard, or will it be for all servers wether they want it or not?


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RenGuard Logical Diagram [message #55911] Tue, 25 November 2003 18:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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you should probably make it so that it doesn't work on unladderd games. because most cheats, i belive, only work in unladderd games. that would be very stupid if you kicked somebody from an unladderd game if the cheat does not give them any help on ladder points. and wasnt the point of unladderd games to make it so that you can cheat? or just for practice?


:rolleyes: :rolleyes:


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and will this just be for the servers that download renguard, or will it be for all servers wether they want it or not?


This has been answered already. Regardless, no it won't be manditory. However, if a server is running renguard you'll need it as well in order to play on it.
RenGuard Logical Diagram [message #56035] Thu, 27 November 2003 03:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The CA and MS interact at intervals..


First of all can you tell me the space of time between these intervals? Because this could mean someone could slip the cheats in after they log into the server, for a few minutes just to big-head on someone they don't like & kill them, then take the cheats back out if they have enough time. Then again because of this you may not want to tell people the space between the intervals.
RenGuard Logical Diagram [message #56040] Thu, 27 November 2003 04:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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random Razz
RenGuard Logical Diagram [message #56094] Thu, 27 November 2003 13:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You can't take the cheats on and off at will. You have to restart the game for them to take effect at all and if you try, usually Renegade will crash on the next map. And if you do leave and try to come back, you will be scanned again.

I'm the bawss.
RenGuard Logical Diagram [message #56098] Thu, 27 November 2003 14:03 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Heh, I want to see people's reactions when I yell "OMGF LEIK *player name* IS CHEETIGN!!!!1111 BNA HMI!!!" on a RenGuard server. :twisted:

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