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Matrix Revolutions **SPOILERS INSIDE** [message #54830] |
Tue, 11 November 2003 22:51   |
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warranto
Messages: 2584 Registered: February 2003 Location: Alberta, Canada
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I just saw it today, so I can finally add my two cents worth. First to clarify a few things...
Quote: | (note: the Merovingian had overwrote her body as you can see by her new 'shell' in Revolutions).
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Not quite true. He had her killed for crossing him. Metrovigian never "overwrote" her as that would imply him creating the new shell. However, since the oracle's purpose is essencial to the matrix's survival, he was unable to completely get rid of her. Hence the new shell, as the ond one had been killed.
Quote: | The machine then terminates Neo's body, thus killing the master smith and his influence in the matrix.
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Also incorrect, though it's close. Had this been true, the machines would have been able to take Smith out as soon as he took control of something the machines also had control of (anyone still hooked into the matrix). What happened, has been discussed before. Neo was the "One", Smith was the "negative One" when Smith took control of Neo's body, the two opposing variables came into contact. However dispite that, they are still just variables, though now by joining together the machines could cancel the equation.
Quote: | This series of events led Neo to control the Matrix in its entirety.
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He couldn't control the matrix, just manipulate it to the same extent as everyone else freed from the matrix. He was just able to manipulate it to a greater degree, hence the flying and super speeds demonstrated in Reloaded.
Quote: | had to call a truce and rely on Neo to defeat Smith so their power source would not be destroyed.
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Sorry, but also not right. What the machines were afraid of was Smith infecting, and eventually taking control of the machines. Despite being machines, they had a sence of self-preservation that they wished to maintain, and that Smith was threatening. The power supply had nothing to do with it, as despite being taken over by Smith, they were still maintaining power. Not to mention, in Reloaded the Architect mentioned the matrix and everyone in it was going to be destroyed anyways due to Neo's choice.
Quote: | Neo was so integrated into the Matrix
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Sort of true. When Neo becomes the "One", it's because his body had a program written into it that in a sence activated whenever he was jacked in to the Matrix. It's this program that allowed him to have his superhuman abilities, and why Smith (Another program) was considered to be the counter to Neo, and why they were able to negate each other when integrated. As well, like Smith, Neo found a way to bring part of the program to the real world. The difference being, Neo did it unknowingly. This is why he was able to disrupt the machines and destroy them.
Quote: | Except Neo. When he assimilates Neo, he's assimilated everyone. Every last thing. And thus, he no longer has purpose.
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Refer to my previous answer to this. Your sort of right, though Smiths purpose was not to assimilate everyone. His purpose was to be Neo's opposite.
As for whether Neo is actually dead, he may be alive, just no longer be considered the "One" as that programming was negated by Smith assimilating him.
The only question I still have is the overall purpose of the girl. She has no purpose, yet is able to at least manipulate the matrix directly. She creates the sunset at the end, and is told by the Oracle that it looks nice. The Matrix series may be done, but the story has yet to be fully completed. I predict either a spin-off movie, or a tv series. (Remember at the end of Godzilla there was that one remaining egg that survived the explosion. A cartoon soon followed)
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Matrix Revolutions **SPOILERS INSIDE** [message #54855] |
Wed, 12 November 2003 10:35   |
fl00d3d
Messages: 1108 Registered: August 2003
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General (1 Star) Viva la Resistance! |
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Warranto:
Dude, I know we've had arguments in the past over 'other' subjects, but I'm seriously not trying to argue about the matrix with you now. lol Just so you know that when I ask this next question.
How do you know that you are right and I'm not right. I ask this straight-faced and in all sincerity. Honestly, if you know something that I don't (or there is an official information source I have not tapped) please let me know.
I love this Matrix shit, and I've been playing through all the possibilities for the longest time. Again, I'm seriously not doing this just to argue. I just want to know the truth damnit, lol!!
Thanks, man.
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Matrix Revolutions **SPOILERS INSIDE** [message #54866] |
Wed, 12 November 2003 11:59   |
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warranto
Messages: 2584 Registered: February 2003 Location: Alberta, Canada
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lol, don't worry Fl00d3d, I never bring past greivances into new topics unless actions warrant it. Most of the answers I got were straight from the movie. It either explisitly stated it that way, or required just a bit of interpretation, though was more or less stated during the course of the movie. The rest of it, I admit is just my opinion, and of course anyones opinion can be flawed. I just believe that I am at least more right than your interpretation. If you get a chance, jot down my answers, and watch the movie again. I'm sure you'll be able to see why I feel I'm right, and perhaps be able to expand on, or correct my interpretations.
Edit: By the way, I didn't pick on you because of your history here. You just happened to be the guy who posted before me where I had an opportunity to correct (in my opinion) some misunderstandings.
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Matrix Revolutions **SPOILERS INSIDE** [message #54870] |
Wed, 12 November 2003 12:42   |
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Spice
Messages: 1448 Registered: November 2003 Location: Ohio
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any of you guys played enter the matrix???? helps youunderstand matric reloaded better and adds maney new things to the movie but the game was crap like the first hour of the matrix reloaded lol but if you watch all 3 movies and animatrix and play enter the matrix its a fun experience ...
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Matrix Revolutions **SPOILERS INSIDE** [message #54878] |
Wed, 12 November 2003 13:37   |
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boma57
Messages: 581 Registered: April 2003
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AuroraX0 | My thoughts on the little girl: Smith refers to her as "the last exile," so i sense some deeper meaning there.
As for a spinoff/tv-show, I think we have our answer there.
To quote the intro... "After Revolutions... The Matrix goes online"
Matrix MMORPG? Seems like a good idea to me.
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If the matrix went online(as a game), it would be cool if it had an everquest type gameplay. Like where you build up levels, and eventually when you get high enough youa re considdered a "one". Maybe even people could play as agents? Probly wouldn't work, but it's a cool idea.
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It takes place after Revolutions, so most of that can't happen.
The Architect says that the Matrix remains in place for people who are happier inside, but people who wish to get out will have no problem doing so. Thus, there are no agents and no "one"s.
You might think that it would make a pretty crappy game with no one to fight against, but there is. The exiles
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Matrix Revolutions **SPOILERS INSIDE** [message #54966] |
Thu, 13 November 2003 19:53   |
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snipesimo
Messages: 764 Registered: February 2003
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Sorry if this has been asked, but here are my most obvious questions:
#1: As Blazer wondered, I also thought why didn't the machines build some big-ass towers with solar panels on them for power?
#2: Freeing minds = no matrix = no power, you would think if these machines were so smart and there was a way to fix the sky, they would have done it.
#3: The humans had no chance, nothing left, why not make the final blow? It doesn't makr sense, if the machines don't feel emotion.
#4: Something tells me the machines will see the whiney humans come back asking for land and just say, its easier to kill them. Human to human can't get along, let alone suer-superior machines and humans with basically nothing.
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Matrix Revolutions **SPOILERS INSIDE** [message #54967] |
Thu, 13 November 2003 20:44   |
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Slicer_238
Messages: 361 Registered: May 2003
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Probably Neo. If the Matrix is destroyed, why the need for another one? I'd heard the following theory before but hadn't yet associated it with Revolutions until someone pointed it out to me...Neo sacrificed himself to save humanity, and even died in a cross-shaped position. Then, the oracle says he'll return. It doesn't take long to put two and two together.
That was from Taximes.
Come on now, it shouldn't take that long to figure out, he is the second coming of the son of man. There are so many Bible referances in the Matrix and Animatrix its like watching Bible on tape. But I think he is the second coming of Jesus. Then there was my thread about the whole Matrix
not even existing because of three logical flaws in the Animatrix. But anywho, Neo was the second coming of Jesus.
The machines could not build towers. Remember when thee ship flew up to the sky they fried upon getting close to the black clouds.
I still think someone should pull up my logical flaws from my topic and take a good hard look at them. No not Blazer, he thinks I nitpick too much.
May Trey rest in forever bliss and happiness.
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Matrix Revolutions **SPOILERS INSIDE** [message #55009] |
Fri, 14 November 2003 12:34   |
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Crimson
Messages: 7431 Registered: February 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Once a capable person has a virus in their hands, they can analyze it. How it got in, what it does, and what its weaknesses are. My theory was that when they jacked Neo in and he allowed himself to become infected, the machines themselves were able to see the virus and figure out how to destroy it.
Everyone else who was infected was merely asleep until they rebooted the Matrix (evidenced by the cat walking by twice = deja vu) -- once it was rebooted, everything was fixed and the people woke up. I think all that happened to Neo was that his own consciousness was asleep while Smith had his short run inside Neo, and he will soon wake up like everyone else.
I'm the bawss.
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Matrix Revolutions **SPOILERS INSIDE** [message #55020] |
Fri, 14 November 2003 13:51   |
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boma57
Messages: 581 Registered: April 2003
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Slicer_238 | Probably Neo. If the Matrix is destroyed, why the need for another one? I'd heard the following theory before but hadn't yet associated it with Revolutions until someone pointed it out to me...Neo sacrificed himself to save humanity, and even died in a cross-shaped position. Then, the oracle says he'll return. It doesn't take long to put two and two together.
That was from Taximes.
Come on now, it shouldn't take that long to figure out, he is the second coming of the son of man. There are so many Bible referances in the Matrix and Animatrix its like watching Bible on tape. But I think he is the second coming of Jesus. Then there was my thread about the whole Matrix
not even existing because of three logical flaws in the Animatrix. But anywho, Neo was the second coming of Jesus.
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I definitely agree with the Biblical references, but I think that's all they are: references, metaphors.
If the movie was to literally portray the second coming of Christ, it would have ended differently. Upon the second coming of Christ is also prophesized the end of the world, and we saw naught of that.
When He returns, it's supposed to be very sudden and instantaneous, not like Neo who didn't even believe he was the One until the end of the first movie.
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