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To those who DEMAND proof on a program [message #53828]

Tue, 04 November 2003 10:01

fl00d3d
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Registered: August 2003
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WARRANTO:
"Programming ability? None. I'm a philosopher, not a computer programmer. In fact I've never even attempted to program. But as majikent pointed out I fail to see how that would apply to my knowledge of what is regarded as truth. No matter if you agree with what the truth is or not. Don't like it, don't complain to me about stating it. Go and change it. When it's been changed, I'll start stating that as the truth. "

A philosopher? Isn't everyone a philosopher? Or is that just my philosophy? lol The point that I'm making is that you don't have any clue what open source is truely about or any technical information in your brain that would allow you to make an informed decision regarding the technical background and planning for this project.

"And since when was the "machine" represented by the truth? All you stated was that my referance to Microsoft, the military, and any other non-open source company was a poor one in relation to the RenGuard program.

I don't know if you realized it, but your wording screwed up your whole point.

"That right there proved you missed my point.

Let me explain it again in terms you can probably (I hope) understand.

Military Program,etc. = secret and not willing to be given out to just anybody.

OK ... agreed. Has nothing to do with a utility for a game that is not supported by its developers anymore. Continue.

"Closed source coding (the Microsoft referance) = secret and not willing to be given out to just anybody.

Proprietary information is what you're looking for. OK, a sense of confidentiality is understood. Continue.

"RenGuard = secret and not willing to be given out to just anybody.

Whoopsie! There's where you messed up. It should look like this:
RenGuard = secret and not willing to be given out because the people who created it would rather play with the fate of the community, rather than ask them for their unity and help.

"See the referance applicablility now? I hope I don't have to spell out why the RenGuard team is unwilling to provide the code (Hint: refer to the referances I supplied)

No, I really do not.

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K9:

"So why is it when you wanted to "Head up" an anti-cheat program you wanted it to be "classified" and yet the Renguard team needs to release its source code for you?"

I planned to gather volunteers and accept anyone who was interested. If that was everyone, so be it. Then keep their work secure until it was developed. I would then have the source released -AND- encourage modifications or improvements.

"Renguard is NOT public property. It is the private property of its developers. So there is no "Open Records" regulations that need to follow.

True, my friend. RenGuard is not public property. I would have to agree with that. However, RenGuard is also NOT the only solution, nor do you hold exclusive rights to the official anticheat program. Nothing makes YOU (points at the RenGuard team) any more special than anyone else (points at the renegade community who is 'in theory' watching this conversation).

You guys continue to miss my point. I came in here originally upset that you, as leaders of the community, would fight hand and foot to keep your programs super secret and discourage competition. Something wasn't right. Then, months later, nothing was released. Even more suspicous.

How are you going to demand respect and patience from the Renegade Community? One person makes program A, another makes program B, another runs an official forum (c). A+B+C != the only solution or give you the right to dictate the community.

Last I checked I paid for my copy of the game and have just as much of a RIGHT to produce modifications, skins, anticheats, etc AND DEMAND an anticheat be produced (as I am legally pursuing through EA) as anyone else.

This is a headache.

Just produce your anticheat and prove I'm wrong to say it will never come out. Then I'll acknowledge it like a big boy and this will be over.

Or don't produce it and my word will stand. Either way, I'm done wasting my breath.

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		To those who DEMAND proof on a program By: warranto on Tue, 28 October 2003 12:50
		To those who DEMAND proof on a program By: fl00d3d on Wed, 29 October 2003 12:15
		To those who DEMAND proof on a program By: warranto on Wed, 29 October 2003 12:33
		To those who DEMAND proof on a program By: AnarchisT -BiO- on Sat, 01 November 2003 00:13
		To those who DEMAND proof on a program By: Cpo64 on Sat, 01 November 2003 00:25
		To those who DEMAND proof on a program By: tanhm07 on Sat, 01 November 2003 08:11
		To those who DEMAND proof on a program By: Jelly on Sat, 01 November 2003 09:35
		To those who DEMAND proof on a program By: boma57 on Sat, 01 November 2003 10:32
		To those who DEMAND proof on a program By: fl00d3d on Mon, 03 November 2003 09:38
		To those who DEMAND proof on a program By: warranto on Mon, 03 November 2003 10:33
		To those who DEMAND proof on a program By: fl00d3d on Tue, 04 November 2003 05:57
		To those who DEMAND proof on a program By: exnyte on Tue, 04 November 2003 06:11
		To those who DEMAND proof on a program By: warranto on Tue, 04 November 2003 08:02
		To those who DEMAND proof on a program By: K9Trooper on Tue, 04 November 2003 08:46
		To those who DEMAND proof on a program By: fl00d3d on Tue, 04 November 2003 10:01
		To those who DEMAND proof on a program By: K9Trooper on Tue, 04 November 2003 10:12
		To those who DEMAND proof on a program By: Crimson on Tue, 04 November 2003 11:18
		To those who DEMAND proof on a program By: warranto on Tue, 04 November 2003 14:44
		To those who DEMAND proof on a program By: K9Trooper on Tue, 04 November 2003 14:54
		To those who DEMAND proof on a program By: warranto on Tue, 04 November 2003 15:02
		To those who DEMAND proof on a program By: Jelly on Tue, 04 November 2003 19:20
		To those who DEMAND proof on a program By: boma57 on Tue, 04 November 2003 19:29
		To those who DEMAND proof on a program By: mrpirate on Tue, 04 November 2003 20:17
		To those who DEMAND proof on a program By: fl00d3d on Thu, 06 November 2003 11:04
		To those who DEMAND proof on a program By: exnyte on Thu, 06 November 2003 12:19
		To those who DEMAND proof on a program By: tunk on Sat, 08 November 2003 10:48

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