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| Re: more guns in america = less crime [message #489074 is a reply to message #489071] |
Tue, 19 August 2014 05:26   |
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Jerad2142
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| Aircraftkiller wrote on Mon, 18 August 2014 18:09 |
I love when idiots blather on about fiat money since they're always completely unaware that currency only has value because we put value in it
Gold is not inherently valuable, food is. You need food to eat. Gold isn't inherently valuable. Water is. You need water to drink. You're not going to eat gold or drink gold if some wizard makes the US collapse without affecting any other country's economic system
Please stop posting stupid shit, and Ethenal please, for your own sake, stop visiting Alex Jones
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If the Zombies attack tomorrow (or insert an actually possible event here) people aren't going to be wanting gold, they'll want food, ammo, and water.
Gold is like bitcoin, its value depends on how much there is and how much people want it, there could be 1 bit coin, but if no one wanted bit coin for black market trading or whatever it'd be worth nothing.
Long story short, if society goes under you'll be left with piles of gold that no body wants anymore.
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| Re: more guns in america = less crime [message #489076 is a reply to message #488751] |
Tue, 19 August 2014 07:46 |
Hitman
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yeah buy gold, silver and bitcoin.
I don't think the dollar is actually going to collapse, its definatly going to be devalued massively tho, and have its reserve currency status taken. The IMF might try an SDR when people lose confidence in paper money, which they should,and it might work... but I doubt it. They probably do not want to return to gold but they might just have to.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_drawing_rights
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| Re: more guns in america = less crime [message #489077 is a reply to message #489071] |
Tue, 19 August 2014 07:56 |
Hitman
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| Aircraftkiller wrote on Mon, 18 August 2014 17:09 |
I love when idiots blather on about fiat money since they're always completely unaware that currency only has value because we put value in it
Gold is not inherently valuable, food is. You need food to eat. Gold isn't inherently valuable. Water is. You need water to drink. You're not going to eat gold or drink gold if some wizard makes the US collapse without affecting any other country's economic system
Please stop posting stupid shit, and Ethenal please, for your own sake, stop visiting Alex Jones
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Gold is more rare than rare earth metals, it would actually force fiscal responsibility on the people that have the controls.
It has been money for 6000 years and there were very good reasons as to why the market chose gold.
1.) Store of Value
2.) Generally Accepted
3.) Durable
4.) Divisible
5.) Portable
Sure, the dollar has most of these aspects covered, but definitely not number 1 on the list.
http://www.truthcontrol.com/files/truthcontrol/styles/large/public/images/851.gi f
Not really attractive to put my savings into.
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| Re: more guns in america = less crime [message #489078 is a reply to message #488751] |
Tue, 19 August 2014 08:02 |
Hitman
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and offcourse fiat just fucking sucks and you're a dickhead for sticking up to it, many millions of people have lost their lives in wars due to government monopolized money, alot of times the wars were just covered in expenses by money printing.
Would of been intresting to see what would happen if 51% of the people wanted to go to war, and they would actually get a bill in the mail for 50000 dollars per person, I dont think many people would want to go anymore.
let the market decide what is money and what is not, but like always try to keep the government out of it because they will just fuck it up as they always do.
(pretty hard to do against an entity with the monopoly on force)
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| Re: more guns in america = less crime [message #489632 is a reply to message #489630] |
Mon, 27 October 2014 18:08 |
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Starbuzz
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^ Thanks for the link.
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"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun" - Mao Zedong
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The Georgetown University professor and elite-insider Carroll Quigley wrote a massive book called Weapons Systems and Political Stability which essentially laid bare the fact that democracy was only possible due to the mass manufactured weaponry in the hands of the citizenry.
In previous ages when the citizenry could not afford weapons (swords and armour cost way too much for a farmer) then it was the kings and lords in their castles that ruled over the powerless people. Since only the rich could muster the gold to afford armour plates and give them out to their guards, the outlook of entire eras were decided by who owned the weapons. For example, the Feudal Age.
The fucking idiots of today, blinded by utopian fantasies of peace and the fraud of "progress" and propelled by the most efficient propaganda machine assembled ever in the history of man, the electronic media, are coldly herded like sheep to their slaughter houses as those in power systematically employ every lie possible to get the people to disarm and also to get other people to speak out for the disarmament of others! Having lost sight of the reason for them being entrusted with weapons in the first place, the cocky arrogant yet immensely naïve clowns do the bidding of their invisible masters .
With their weapons confiscated and the COCKY BRAINDEAD SHEEP left holding only their porno mags, beer cans, pizzas, and ball game tickets the elite are free to rule over them forever!
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If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - for ever. - George Orwell.
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This is what they have in mind for us; the global cattling of humanity.
REVOLT.
edit: We see the same theme of Quigley's "Weapons Systems and Political Stability" in political affairs today; beneath all the suits and ties, behind all the diplomatic conferences and paper baiting lies raw military power backed up by nuclear bombs, aircraft carriers, bombers, tanks, and lots of armed men. Because without it diplomacy is nothing; you would get laughed off the table.
The same principle applies to people under representative governments. Gun ownership = POWER. Period.
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| Re: more guns in america = less crime [message #489650 is a reply to message #489636] |
Wed, 29 October 2014 20:52 |
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| -TLS-DJ-EYE-K wrote on Tue, 28 October 2014 08:29 |
Muriica! 
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This picture is yet another bullshit MSM image demonizing Americans who are practicing their rights.
They will have you believe that such people are insane, are paranoid, are not in line with the times, practice incest, live in trailers, rape dogs, play with guns, burger gobblers, are crazy fat "rednecks" good for nothings.
By associating such fraudulent images with people the establishment seeks to wipe out, they show who they really are afraid of and who they deem as opponents. It's a great example of how simply having ownership of guns means you are an invisible power bloc any conquering force have to deal with.
Thanks for not falling for this crap. 
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| Re: more guns in america = less crime [message #489657 is a reply to message #488751] |
Thu, 30 October 2014 09:32 |
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"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest."
"Had we adopted non-violence as the weapon of the strong, because we realised that it was more effective than any other weapon, in fact the mightiest force in the world, we would have made use of its full potency and not have discarded it as soon as the fight against the British was over or we were in a position to wield conventional weapons. But as I have already said, we adopted it out of our helplessness. If we had the atom bomb, we would have used it against the British."
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| Re: more guns in america = less crime [message #489659 is a reply to message #489650] |
Thu, 30 October 2014 10:58 |
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-TLS-DJ-EYE-K
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| Starbuzz wrote on Thu, 30 October 2014 04:52 |
| -TLS-DJ-EYE-K wrote on Tue, 28 October 2014 08:29 |
Muriica!
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This picture is yet another bullshit MSM image demonizing Americans who are practicing their rights.
They will have you believe that such people are insane, are paranoid, are not in line with the times, practice incest, live in trailers, rape dogs, play with guns, burger gobblers, are crazy fat "rednecks" good for nothings.
By associating such fraudulent images with people the establishment seeks to wipe out, they show who they really are afraid of and who they deem as opponents. It's a great example of how simply having ownership of guns means you are an invisible power bloc any conquering force have to deal with.
Thanks for not falling for this crap.
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I wonder how other countries manage to manage themselves, without the *right* to have a gun... face it dude, this is an american history thingy, and has no reason to be active anymore today. other countries can do it also, without their citizens wearing a gun all the time.
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| Re: more guns in america = less crime [message #489666 is a reply to message #489659] |
Fri, 31 October 2014 09:43 |
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Jerad2142
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| -TLS-DJ-EYE-K wrote on Thu, 30 October 2014 11:58 |
| Starbuzz wrote on Thu, 30 October 2014 04:52 |
| -TLS-DJ-EYE-K wrote on Tue, 28 October 2014 08:29 |
Muriica!
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This picture is yet another bullshit MSM image demonizing Americans who are practicing their rights.
They will have you believe that such people are insane, are paranoid, are not in line with the times, practice incest, live in trailers, rape dogs, play with guns, burger gobblers, are crazy fat "rednecks" good for nothings.
By associating such fraudulent images with people the establishment seeks to wipe out, they show who they really are afraid of and who they deem as opponents. It's a great example of how simply having ownership of guns means you are an invisible power bloc any conquering force have to deal with.
Thanks for not falling for this crap.
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I wonder how other countries manage to manage themselves, without the *right* to have a gun... face it dude, this is an american history thingy, and has no reason to be active anymore today. other countries can do it also, without their citizens wearing a gun all the time.
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It's like a fire extinguisher, no need for it until you need it.
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| Re: more guns in america = less crime [message #489672 is a reply to message #489632] |
Fri, 31 October 2014 16:07 |
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| Starbuzz wrote on Mon, 27 October 2014 18:08 |
The fucking idiots of today, blinded by utopian fantasies of peace and the fraud of "progress" and propelled by the most efficient propaganda machine assembled ever in the history of man, the electronic media, are coldly herded like sheep to their slaughter houses as those in power systematically employ every lie possible to get the people to disarm and also to get other people to speak out for the disarmament of others! Having lost sight of the reason for them being entrusted with weapons in the first place, the cocky arrogant yet immensely naïve clowns do the bidding of their invisible masters .
With their weapons confiscated and the COCKY BRAINDEAD SHEEP left holding only their porno mags, beer cans, pizzas, and ball game tickets the elite are free to rule over them forever!
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Okay and what are you going to do about it?
Aside from writing entry-level, unintelligible nonsense on a dead gaming forum?
*tips fedora*
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| Aircraftkiller wrote on Fri, 10 January 2014 16:56 |
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| Re: more guns in america = less crime [message #489673 is a reply to message #488751] |
Fri, 31 October 2014 17:12 |
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omg starbuzz! You are so smart! Please enlighten me more with your wisdom. Starbuzz for president! I need this in my life right now. Please share it with all of us, since we, or at least me, are just sheeple and too stupid to know anything and get bad education and don't know how to think for ourselves. Please shed light, mighty Starbuzz, the Tamil Savior of Tigers and Dosas.
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| Re: more guns in america = less crime [message #489674 is a reply to message #489673] |
Sat, 01 November 2014 00:37 |
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Starbuzz
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Mob-like responses just as I expected. Notice how they haven't been able to refute the points regarding owning weaponry and its relation to power. Notice how they refuse and/or don't want to acknowledge or modify their stance.
We are simply attacking fraudulent lines of thoughts with clear thinking. nikki, do you expect me to start a revolution? Because that's usually what people have in mind when they ask haughtily "SOOOO WHAT YA GONNA DO ABOUT IT" with spittle flying out of their mouths.
You folks can't refute it but like to call it/say whatever you like. So please keep posting the "unintelligible nonsense."
And it's sadly amusing that my post is called "entry-level." Perhaps, you want the suit-wearing smooth-talking poll-parrot puppets at your favorite MSM channel (who have to keep their mouth shuts and dare not utter inconvenient facts for them to keep receiving their paychecks every fortnight) to give you an "expert" "advanced" opinion.
If you really want to know what the true state of your "Western" society is, read Roland Huntford's The New Totalitarians.
| appshot wrote on Fri, 31 October 2014 20:12 |
omg starbuzz! You are so smart! Please enlighten me more with your wisdom. Starbuzz for president! I need this in my life right now. Please share it with all of us, since we, or at least me, are just sheeple and too stupid to know anything and get bad education and don't know how to think for ourselves. Please shed light, mighty Starbuzz, the Tamil Savior of Tigers and Dosas.
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You really have no idea whatsoever how precarious our situation in this country as immigrants is. You have not even BEGUN to ask yourself how it was possible for you/us to be in a foreign country and live off of a system built by the hard work of another people from another race. I doubt you will but please slow down and start asking yourself.
| iRANian wrote on Thu, 30 October 2014 12:32 |
"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest."
"Had we adopted non-violence as the weapon of the strong, because we realised that it was more effective than any other weapon, in fact the mightiest force in the world, we would have made use of its full potency and not have discarded it as soon as the fight against the British was over or we were in a position to wield conventional weapons. But as I have already said, we adopted it out of our helplessness. If we had the atom bomb, we would have used it against the British."
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Sadly, most "Indians" will make big talk about the greatness of non-violence and actually believe that non-violence works. The thinking of the people is only superficial; mention anything deep and they ignore it with a howl. Non-violence is the only way for those with no other options; it is not an independent tool all by itself as it is believed to be.
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