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| Re: Lost my ReneVirginity tonight [message #475079 is a reply to message #475020] |
Sun, 23 September 2012 08:09   |
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| liquidv2 wrote on Sat, 22 September 2012 21:40 |
i think, as far as renehistory is concerned, orca is or will be remembered as being better than you (HTMN)
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"HTMN does well, but much of the time he's just doing silly stuff to make himself happy" but even then, even his best cw friend ioncloud said he thinks im better, i could do ALOT better in public, maybe now u can jumpstart me into trying my best in public but i doubt i'll play serious for more than 5 games in a row, it gets boring really fast
public is just a clusterfuck of bad players, therefor not a single one of those guys could ever win a clanwar, because they just dont know what to do, they want to be backed up by alot of retards who also dont know how to do, have no desire for teamplay, and generally just have very very poor skills in both infantry and tanks, but since they have so many noobs rolling out shooting quite randomly, there are so many bullets flying out there that it actually does work lol
anyways, an example of what generally happens when i play serious in public:
its impossible to have the exact impact on pub as u have on a clanwar, in pub you randomly join the game, there's more than likely 7 double teched arties/ an army of meds and havocs/pic's out there, no teamplay on any team( arty teching/stank rush is the best teamwork a pub player is capable of) so how on earth is anyone gonna kill 7 double teched arties when he's pretty much on his own in a completly uncoordinated team? you'll have to hotwire rush through a tunnel or so, but it'll be filled with atleast 5 sbh/mobiuses/gunners/... and 5 snipers, pretty much impossible to get through, aswell, still there are some ways that you can get the job done, but you have to be resourceful and just seize every chance you get to make the difference as an individual
so your benchmarks for making just as much of an impact in public as in a clanwar, are quite impossible to meet in a fair amount of the situations
ps: thx for iran for providing this piece of public screenshot material, which illustrates just how poorly public is organised, if organised at all lol
how can u even take shit like this serious, liquid? like i said its a clusterfuck of 50 barely average renegade players thrown into a map that is by far too small for 50 players to play on
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| Re: Lost my ReneVirginity tonight [message #475083 is a reply to message #474940] |
Sun, 23 September 2012 10:29 |
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| liquidv2 wrote on Fri, 21 September 2012 11:53 |
if they're the best ever, why did i shit on many of them over the years? i'm not a pro clanwars player, i'm just some regular public noob
they excel 100% in small games, where they practice and have played for years
the bigger the game, however, the less of an impact they actually make
if clanwars players are the best ever, why has cw.cc lost community matches on multiple occasions?
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god damn you faggot you type almost as much as spoony, takes so much time to find shit
It's all part of the big illusion that we perpetuate on ourselves and in turn is perpetuated upon us. When we believe, we engage the illusion. When we stop believing we shatter the illusion and shatter ourselves in the process. Because we are, part of it.
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| Re: Lost my ReneVirginity tonight [message #475084 is a reply to message #475079] |
Sun, 23 September 2012 10:30 |
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| Hitman wrote on Sun, 23 September 2012 10:09 |
public is just a clusterfuck of bad players, therefor not a single one of those guys could ever win a clanwar,
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sorry; i wasn't aware that the only thing that counts in Renegade is clanwars
which seems rather silly, considering the game is designed for 16vs16
ask i0n if there's any chance on earth of you outflying orca
| Hitman wrote on Sun, 23 September 2012 10:09 |
anyways, an example of what generally happens when i play serious in public:
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well played
it seems your team had a few more players that were actually trying that game, but you clearly did more than any of them
| Hitman wrote on Sun, 23 September 2012 10:09 |
its impossible to have the exact impact on pub as u have on a clanwar, in pub you randomly join the game, there's more than likely 7 double teched arties/ an army of meds and havocs/pic's out there, no teamplay on any team( arty teching/stank rush is the best teamwork a pub player is capable of) so how on earth is anyone gonna kill 7 double teched arties when he's pretty much on his own in a completly uncoordinated team? you'll have to hotwire rush through a tunnel or so, but it'll be filled with atleast 5 sbh/mobiuses/gunners/... and 5 snipers, pretty much impossible to get through, aswell, still there are some ways that you can get the job done, but you have to be resourceful and just seize every chance you get to make the difference as an individual
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of course a 2v2 is different than a larger game; why on earth would you expect them to work the same way?
you say it's impossible, and yet Spoony could do it
are you saying he's better than you?
just because 3v3 or 2v2 tactics don't work doesn't mean a better player won't win more often
just because it's harder doesn't mean a good player can't fight through it or find a way around it
sometimes you can't, but is that a reason to dodge it altogether? i'm sure the best players do not
| Hitman wrote on Sun, 23 September 2012 10:09 |
so your benchmarks for making just as much of an impact in public as in a clanwar, are quite impossible to meet in a fair amount of the situations
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the way i see it, the best players will win more than other players
they'll find a way to win through it
if your argument is true, which states that clanwars players are so good that they can't handle a game size bigger than a 3v3 because they're too impatient, then that seems to work against them
players like Got2bRoni probably win more bigger games than a lot of your favorite 2v2 people ever could, which means he's better than they are at public games
| Hitman wrote on Sun, 23 September 2012 10:09 |
ps: thx for iran for providing this piece of public screenshot material, which illustrates just how poorly public is organised, if organised at all lol
how can u even take shit like this serious, liquid? like i said its a clusterfuck of 50 barely average renegade players thrown into a map that is by far too small for 50 players to play on
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i think a good player, in the long run, would be better at turning those kinds of games into a win
for example, i joined a Walls_Flying game the other day when Nod was down 2 players
most of Nod was running around with basic infantry because it couldn't afford anything
GDI had killed the harv and was swarming the base with early APCs (literally, like 4 of them came in)
i destroyed two of them myself and saved two buildings by killing the people that got inside before they could get remotes off
after that i got an arty and warded off the med tanks and hotwires sneaking all over the place
had i not been there, GDI would have won that game in less than 10 minutes
to say that one player makes no difference is foolish, at best
in the long run the stats will prove otherwise (unless you want to argue with both myself and MUDKIPS about that)
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| Re: Lost my ReneVirginity tonight [message #475094 is a reply to message #474873] |
Sun, 23 September 2012 12:35 |
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if my team isn't really going to teamplay (NEVER will happen in pub) or play at their best level(tunnel snipe, 24/7 sbh/...), im very likely not to go all out in trying to beat the enemy, because the match on itself is just stupid and pretty much pointless, imo its not even close to an actual all out competitive game of renegade as to how it should be played, which is pretty much the sum up of what clanwars is all about (talking any number of players in the clanwar here, not just 2v2's or 3v3's)
and im pretty sure i already said orca was definatly a better flyer than me, that is why i was a sniper in clanwars, and had someone else fly instead of me
EDIT: " but sure enough, he was a better flyer than me, which is probably why i sniped in clanwars"
i'd say we can organise a game to get this settled but im quite afraid there are very few clanwar players left
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| Re: Lost my ReneVirginity tonight [message #475095 is a reply to message #475091] |
Sun, 23 September 2012 12:48 |
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| liquidv2 wrote on Sun, 23 September 2012 11:03 |
hitman typed "prang jew" when he was new to Jelly in 2007 or something
one of the less intelligent past Jelly admins banned him for racism
hitman explained repeatedly that he meant "j00" which means "you" and not "jew" as in a jewish person
that mod didn't listen or care, and kept him banned for months
lol
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i know the jelly mod staff is overall pretty crappy, and never there when u need em, kinda like cops i suppose,but its an online game, i dont expect people to sit on mIRC all day long
so if a mod bans me now for "dont like the way you use tanks", and you think the ban is ridiculous, you're not gonna go and delete it, because it was another mods call to ban me?
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| Re: Lost my ReneVirginity tonight [message #475103 is a reply to message #474873] |
Sun, 23 September 2012 13:41 |
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it can be overturned, they just choose not to, which is why i think its ridiculous
if liquid was thinking the same way about my ban back then(i remember differently actually), im sure he could of just lifted it, since it was a ban that was completly uncalled for
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| Re: Lost my ReneVirginity tonight [message #475105 is a reply to message #475103] |
Sun, 23 September 2012 14:17 |
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| Hitman wrote on Sun, 23 September 2012 15:41 |
it can be overturned, they just choose not to, which is why i think its ridiculous
if liquid was thinking the same way about my ban back then(i remember differently actually), im sure he could of just lifted it, since it was a ban that was completly uncalled for
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...except liquid was most certainly not even close to an admin in 2007 LOL
make less sense
To be clear, as a senior mod, if a full mod bans you for "I don't like the way you use your tank," yes, I'm going to remove the ban, because that's fucking stupid. But full mods (or half or trial) cannot remove other moderator's bans, because that's not their job and it tends to get people pissed at each other over stupid shit.
I seriously don't know what the fuck it is that you're rambling about, though. I assume the "admin" from 2007 was hammerh0? seems like one of the idiots that would have done such a thing
| -TLS-DJ-EYE-K wrote on Mon, 18 March 2013 07:29 |
Instead of showing us that u aren't more inteligent than a Toast, maybe you should start becomming good in renegade 
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| Re: Lost my ReneVirginity tonight [message #475124 is a reply to message #474873] |
Sun, 23 September 2012 20:58 |
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| Hitman wrote on Sun, 23 September 2012 14:35 |
if my team isn't really going to teamplay (NEVER will happen in pub) or play at their best level(tunnel snipe, 24/7 sbh/...), im very likely not to go all out in trying to beat the enemy, because the match on itself is just stupid and pretty much pointless, imo its not even close to an actual all out competitive game of renegade as to how it should be played, which is pretty much the sum up of what clanwars is all about (talking any number of players in the clanwar here, not just 2v2's or 3v3's)
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so because not everyone is trying their hardest you're not going to try at all? sounds like a winning attitude!
the way i see it, the best players will do whatever they can to win, whether it looks likely or not, and whether their teammates are good or bad
over a long-term period, the best players would win more games
that's why MUDKIPS wants a win tracker so badly for Jelly Marathon
| Hitman wrote on Sun, 23 September 2012 14:35 |
i'd say we can organise a game to get this settled but im quite afraid there are very few clanwar players left
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that would prove what exactly?
it makes about as much sense as you challenging me to a 1v1 to prove me wrong in some way
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| Re: Lost my ReneVirginity tonight [message #475125 is a reply to message #474873] |
Sun, 23 September 2012 21:01 |
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| Hitman wrote on Sun, 23 September 2012 14:48 |
i know the jelly mod staff is overall pretty crappy, and never there when u need em, kinda like cops i suppose,but its an online game, i dont expect people to sit on mIRC all day long
so if a mod bans me now for "dont like the way you use tanks", and you think the ban is ridiculous, you're not gonna go and delete it, because it was another mods call to ban me?nais
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not sure if you realize this, but i wasn't a mod way back then
also, the guy that was is no longer a mod (i'm one of the ones that removed him)
the rules in place back then said that any racism whatsoever earned the player a permanent ban (i'm the one that had that rule changed, also before i became a mod)
no one way back at that time felt the need to overrule that admin's decision
do you honestly think something like that would happen now? lol
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| Re: Lost my ReneVirginity tonight [message #475126 is a reply to message #475124] |
Sun, 23 September 2012 22:23 |
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| liquidv2 wrote on Sun, 23 September 2012 20:58 |
that's why MUDKIPS wants a win tracker for Jelly Marathon
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I just love having it set in stone that I'm the best
It's all part of the big illusion that we perpetuate on ourselves and in turn is perpetuated upon us. When we believe, we engage the illusion. When we stop believing we shatter the illusion and shatter ourselves in the process. Because we are, part of it.
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| Re: Lost my ReneVirginity tonight [message #475134 is a reply to message #475129] |
Mon, 24 September 2012 02:35 |
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well I personally don't try often in marathon (for example getting a tank) because it isn't a challenge at all, when the majority of people in the tanks can't aim that well and just stay still 95% of the time.
That's why I've sniped since I came back, I find it more fun and an actual challenge.
I'm sure cw.cc players find it the same
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| Re: Lost my ReneVirginity tonight [message #475171 is a reply to message #474873] |
Tue, 25 September 2012 07:00 |
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I snipe with tanks
It's all part of the big illusion that we perpetuate on ourselves and in turn is perpetuated upon us. When we believe, we engage the illusion. When we stop believing we shatter the illusion and shatter ourselves in the process. Because we are, part of it.
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