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| I R FIRST POST [message #46156] |
Tue, 09 September 2003 10:12   |
Dumbass007
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Registered: September 2003
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[quote="Aprime"]
Shaddup and wait.
Remember asshole:
it is SHUT UP, and in your case STFU
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| I R FIRST POST [message #46172] |
Tue, 09 September 2003 11:20 |
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Crimson
Messages: 7429
Registered: February 2003
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Please take your flames somewhere else, guys.
I'm the bawss.
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| I R FIRST POST [message #46175] |
Tue, 09 September 2003 11:40 |
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Dante
Messages: 1039
Registered: February 2003
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I still dont get how we can trust this application 100%.
For one, what does it scan? How do we know it ONLY scans for it?
Your making an application which will scan our PCs, which is kinda like Spyware, so how do we not know this is some kind of Spyware? How do we know it won't steal your Serial numbers? Window CD-Key numbers? Other serial numbers? How do know that this could add our PCs to a "botnet"? [unlikey.. but hey you never know]
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same boat as you, after some previous encounters with the ASM programmer, not very trusting of what this app will actually do, on top of what it is supposed to do.
i don't really consider myself part of this team, as the only thing that seems to be acceptable for me to say in this project is "yes, i will add the coding to br.net that you speak of master" otherwise i get flamed all to hell.
so, thats my opinion, and im glad that someone else is a bit worried about some hacker making a program that will sit on your computer and scan all your files.
RenEvo
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| I R FIRST POST [message #46194] |
Tue, 09 September 2003 12:49 |
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Xtrm2Matt
Messages: 1318
Registered: February 2003
Location: England, UK
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I still dont get how we can trust this application 100%.
For one, what does it scan? How do we know it ONLY scans for it?
Your making an application which will scan our PCs, which is kinda like Spyware, so how do we not know this is some kind of Spyware? How do we know it won't steal your Serial numbers? Window CD-Key numbers? Other serial numbers? How do know that this could add our PCs to a "botnet"? [unlikey.. but hey you never know]
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same boat as you, after some previous encounters with the ASM programmer, not very trusting of what this app will actually do, on top of what it is supposed to do.
i don't really consider myself part of this team, as the only thing that seems to be acceptable for me to say in this project is "yes, i will add the coding to br.net that you speak of master" otherwise i get flamed all to hell.
so, thats my opinion, and im glad that someone else is a bit worried about some hacker making a program that will sit on your computer and scan all your files.
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This is my point,
What files (EXACTLY) and which Directory(s) will it scan?
If this program scans ALL of my PC (C:\*.*), stuff it, i'd rather be banned from 90% of the servers than a program scannning my PC for god knows what.
Sorry, this is my own personal opinion, i don't care who doesn't like what i said, but a program made by some random people that Scan's your PC..
Thanks Dante for backing my post up anyway.
http://www.OpticalGaming.com || irc.OpticalGaming.com
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| I R FIRST POST [message #46203] |
Tue, 09 September 2003 13:51 |
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boma57
Messages: 581
Registered: April 2003
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In addition to not knowing what the program does, RenGuard could still do more damage to the community than good...
I mean, face it. Let's say an average player who stopped playing a year ago. He decides to take it for a spin again, but then after logging on, finds out that he needs to find, download and install these extra components.
Regardless of whether or not someone is paranoid about what the program might do, I'd be willing to bet that 25%-50% of "returning" players would simply scrap the idea of playing again because they're too lazy to find and download the program.
In my opinion, the simplest and easiest solution is to just set up a network where people can submit names of suspected cheaters, and that's put on a list that can be accessed by server owners to put on a banlist or some such thing. Obviously it'd have to be more thought out to prevent false accusations, so just make it a voting system or something. You can call someone a cheater, but on the other hand, that person could appeal that claim.
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| I R FIRST POST [message #46205] |
Tue, 09 September 2003 13:55 |
xSeth2k2x
Messages: 285
Registered: July 2003
Location: In my room in the chair
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they say they are "Modifiying" the renegade program so it might be u have to download a patch or somthing were it would show the other server incom[patible or somthing?
Farewell.
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| I R FIRST POST [message #46211] |
Tue, 09 September 2003 14:23 |
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Xtrm2Matt
Messages: 1318
Registered: February 2003
Location: England, UK
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they say they are "Modifiying" the renegade program so it might be u have to download a patch or somthing were it would show the other server incom[patible or somthing?
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Yeh, EA will let them make a Patch (with god knows what code in) and then release it as an Offical Patch.. Sure..
FFS, This is a Program made by a community team, not an Offical Team, EA will not release a new patch to go with this RenGuard.
As we can see by my first post in this topic, Issues have already arisen regarding RenGuard. Personally, i think RenGuard will fail within 5days of its release, HELL, i don't even think this will be finished.
Again, my opinion.
http://www.OpticalGaming.com || irc.OpticalGaming.com
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| I R FIRST POST [message #46228] |
Tue, 09 September 2003 15:03 |
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will RenGuard block sound files? i replaced the "Boink" sound with a "gotya" file..... (just add the sound to the /data folder and name it "correction_3")
id like to know, the "boink" sound is really anoying after a wile, and the "gotya" makes more sence......
plse dont block em!
"you cant demand respect, you have to earn it." -- Dufis791 (me)
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| I R FIRST POST [message #46268] |
Tue, 09 September 2003 18:02 |
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mac
Messages: 1018
Registered: February 2003
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will RenGuard block sound files? i replaced the "Boink" sound with a "gotya" file..... (just add the sound to the /data folder and name it "correction_3")
id like to know, the "boink" sound is really anoying after a wile, and the "gotya" makes more sence......
plse dont block em!
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No sound file blocking planned.
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danpaul88: buggy bugs brenbot because buggy befriends brainlessness
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| I R FIRST POST [message #46269] |
Tue, 09 September 2003 18:04 |
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Crimson
Messages: 7429
Registered: February 2003
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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I stand 100% behind the RenGuard team. So does Blazer. Most server owners will use RenGuard. If BR.NET doesn't get RenGuard support, then we will work around that.
I'm the bawss.
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| I R FIRST POST [message #46322] |
Wed, 10 September 2003 04:22 |
fl00d3d
Messages: 1107
Registered: August 2003
Location: Iowa, USA
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Crimson:
The problems and concerns that we (as a community) are seeing arise are precisely the reason I formed a coordinated effort to provide a solution.
As a member of the forums has proposed, whatever "products" are produced should be reviewed by a TEAM of professionals. Along with the sourcecode so it can be completely reviewed.
Again, do not be confused. I completely stand behind and support the development of the RenGuard solution. However, there are other issues that need to be resolved ... so lets work together to make this a quality product.
There will be no suspicions if this program (among others) is toolboarded by a group of professionals.
Again, anyone interested in this can contact me directly at: fl00d3d@tsunami-alliance.com.
Regards,
Sean
aka "fl00d3d
Founder, Tsunami Alliance
http://www.tsunami-alliance.com
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| I R FIRST POST [message #46329] |
Wed, 10 September 2003 05:17 |
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i think the server owners should also b able to decide what and whatnot to alow. in other words, u by default have things blocked, but the server owners should be able to change that, through through an options menue or something. i run a server occationally and i have a feeling somethings might not be know to renguard as a cheat and get by, or something that i find as not a cheat for the server (at that time or w/e) may b blocked.
"you cant demand respect, you have to earn it." -- Dufis791 (me)
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| I R FIRST POST [message #46385] |
Wed, 10 September 2003 15:07 |
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also, sound files, dont know how that could b used as a cheat, but who knows, some 1 may find a way.......
also, skins, some you have banned may not b conceidered cheats to some server owners....
"you cant demand respect, you have to earn it." -- Dufis791 (me)
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| I R FIRST POST [message #46408] |
Wed, 10 September 2003 16:35 |
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Crimson
Messages: 7429
Registered: February 2003
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Actually, we discussed that today. Allowing the server owner some options as to what they want to allow.
I'm the bawss.
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| I R FIRST POST [message #46446] |
Wed, 10 September 2003 22:48 |
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IRON FART
Messages: 1989
Registered: September 2003
Location: LOS ANGELES
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mac and Crimson, Do not try to undermine efforts from others to aid in an anticheat. We are all aiming for the same goal. This is NOT a popularity contest. That seems to often slip Crimson's mind. I know personally a programmer who i think started an anticheat a few weeks back. And I know (amongst others) Some modders who used their skills to create a quick and efficient Anticheat that works fine. Already out, and updated (v2.x).
fl00d3d here is no fool. He knows "his stuff". It is wrong to tell someone not to do something because it would cramp your style.
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if he can justify saying that, I will delete my other post.
