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Map rating [message #372303] Sun, 15 February 2009 19:18 Go to next message
rrutk is currently offline  rrutk
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Well, with TT there will be automatically map download and we all hope, that this will be the start for playing more maps then the standard ones.

There are ~400 (?) Ren Maps around.

There are masterpieces and bad ones.

We should start o make a list of really (!) good maps.....a map rating for all existing ren maps.

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Re: Map rating [message #453472 is a reply to message #372303] Wed, 07 September 2011 15:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Aircraftkiller is currently offline  Aircraftkiller
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This is an old topic, but it's becoming increasingly relevant since the TT release shouldn't be too far from now. Who wants to help put together a list of playable, well-built levels, without regard for personal bias?

I would volunteer but I'm a bit opinionated.

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Re: Map rating [message #453475 is a reply to message #372303] Wed, 07 September 2011 15:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'd be interested in helping out.

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Re: Map rating [message #453478 is a reply to message #372303] Wed, 07 September 2011 16:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'll do.

Maik, we can probably get Leper in on this as well.

Edit: We might be able to get Otto too.

[Updated on: Wed, 07 September 2011 16:19]

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Re: Map rating [message #453479 is a reply to message #372303] Wed, 07 September 2011 16:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: Map rating [message #453480 is a reply to message #372303] Wed, 07 September 2011 16:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Aircraftkiller is currently offline  Aircraftkiller
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I propose that there's a solid rating system, with a score assigned based on three different factors.

Game-play: 40 points maximum. This includes extra units being added, any modifications to the weapons and damage, health, etc.

Design: 40 points maximum. This includes the layout of the level and whether or not it's conducive to enjoyment.

Aesthetics: 20 points maximum. This includes any custom assets made for the level and the quality of them should be assessed with this.

Altogether you should end up with a maximum score of 100 for levels. Agree, disagree?

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Re: Map rating [message #453481 is a reply to message #372303] Wed, 07 September 2011 16:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You can probably drop the value for aesthetics. Renegade will never look very good.

Put aside your bias and help out.

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Re: Map rating [message #453482 is a reply to message #372303] Wed, 07 September 2011 16:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Aircraftkiller is currently offline  Aircraftkiller
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Really? What about this?

http://www.3dholmes.com/images/APB/FjordGDI.jpg

You can work within the constraints of the engine and make things look good in it. It is important that we aren't looking at nothing but boxy garbage.

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Re: Map rating [message #453483 is a reply to message #372303] Wed, 07 September 2011 16:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Alright.

Those that are interested in ranking Renegade's maps, say so in this thread.

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Re: Map rating [message #453484 is a reply to message #372303] Wed, 07 September 2011 16:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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OOO that map's perdy... what is it called and are there any major servers running it?

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Re: Map rating [message #453485 is a reply to message #372303] Wed, 07 September 2011 17:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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i suggest you have a Bloom rating for each map as well

my favorite maps are generally the most Scrin-infested

i'd be willing to help out with that iRan
and the ginger Blush

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Re: Map rating [message #453487 is a reply to message #372303] Wed, 07 September 2011 17:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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we also have a clown

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Re: Map rating [message #453488 is a reply to message #372303] Wed, 07 September 2011 17:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'd be interested, since I should hopefully be able to fully come back to the magical land of the internet (and thus Renegade) sometime soon.

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Re: Map rating [message #453490 is a reply to message #372303] Wed, 07 September 2011 18:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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For this to have some air of impartiality I won't be participating in it. I suggest that all of you simply run through levels and grade them, or play together and do it that way. It should make for an interesting outcome.

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Re: Map rating [message #453494 is a reply to message #372303] Wed, 07 September 2011 19:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: Map rating [message #453504 is a reply to message #372303] Wed, 07 September 2011 23:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think we should first make a pre selection of maps to test. Say 50 maximum. I'm willing to help make the preselection but I won't go through all maps again to test them due to time constraints.

We actually already started this a few weeks ago in another topic. these were some interesting posts that can be the base of the preselection. At least it's a start:
http://www.renegadeforums.com/index.php?t=msg&th=38133&start=100&rid =4882#msg_num_1
http://www.renegadeforums.com/index.php?t=msg&th=38133&prevloaded=1& rid=4882&start=25#msg_num_11
http://www.renegadeforums.com/index.php?t=msg&th=38133&prevloaded=1& rid=4882&start=25#msg_num_12

Also a real rating in % doesn't seem like the best way to go about it. There will be a huge bias due to the person that judges the map. I'd simply judge on each criterium with "half decent, decent, good, very good" and then an overall score of "half decent, decent, good, very good".

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Re: Map rating [message #453505 is a reply to message #372303] Wed, 07 September 2011 23:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Aircraftkiller is currently offline  Aircraftkiller
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That's why you average the scores of several people.

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Re: Map rating [message #453506 is a reply to message #372303] Wed, 07 September 2011 23:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I don't see how a 'decent/half decent' system works any better than an overall percentage. If anything, it'd be worse.

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Re: Map rating [message #453507 is a reply to message #372303] Thu, 08 September 2011 00:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Do you think you'll find 10 people to test the same map?

If I score something 50 %, you may score the same thing 70 % not because you think it's better than me, just because you'll rate differently. If you only have 5 categories, it'll be easier to find a consensus.

An average is never a good idea. If 2 find it great and 1 finds it awful, then it'll get an average score. It would be better to "force" them to agree then? Just my 0,02

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Re: Map rating [message #453512 is a reply to message #372303] Thu, 08 September 2011 02:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think it is hard to rate maps towards usage in a server.
Mostly the guy that set it up will determine which maps will run regardless of what rating you apply.

The same goes for the TT server atm.
I mean how did C&C_enterway end up in the mapcycle?
(no offence but that map isn't finished at all, just boxes slammed through each other)

The part of proper mapconstruction has however never really bothered people to play the maps (Something like C&C_Sunken2 gets played, heck one of the harvesters doesn't work?)

Though now it would be a great opportunity to either fix up the broken maps or temporarily stop using them.

Depending on the time I have I can either help you guys out with rating or creating fixed versions of certain maps. (if the rating shows the maps needs / is worth fixing)

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Re: Map rating [message #453520 is a reply to message #372303] Thu, 08 September 2011 04:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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i nominate hourglass for #1

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Re: Map rating [message #453870 is a reply to message #372303] Fri, 09 September 2011 18:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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How about reviews of each map with 3-5 different ratings in different categories? Visuals, gameplay flow, balance, etc with a rating between 1 and 5, leading to an overall score rating. I think that'd work pretty well.

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Re: Map rating [message #453879 is a reply to message #372303] Fri, 09 September 2011 21:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
iRANian is currently offline  iRANian
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We tested a bunch of maps yesterday and all of them except for two or so scored 1/5 for every category, they're just that bad.

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Re: Map rating [message #453880 is a reply to message #372303] Fri, 09 September 2011 21:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Aircraftkiller is currently offline  Aircraftkiller
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List the names and the scores so we can start a thread that has the information for everyone.

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Re: Map rating [message #457110 is a reply to message #372303] Fri, 07 October 2011 17:41 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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So, nearly a month later, has anyone rated anything yet?

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