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Re: Questions I would like to pose to athiests [message #446000 is a reply to message #445997] Wed, 20 April 2011 21:47 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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shippo wrote on Wed, 20 April 2011 20:57

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as Evolutionists what do you believe was the begining of the univers? (I'm going somewere with this)

i don't have the faintest idea, but at least i won't pretend i do.



you believe in Evolution but you have no idea how it happend. so doesn't that mean you believe this on faith?

this is getting ridiculous, shippo. how many times have i told you that evolution does not attempt to explain the origin of the universe or the world? it covers living things. it does not say anything about planets and such.

as for "believe in evolution" and "evolutionists", are you trying to make it sound like the theory of evolution is equivalent to a religion? and no, faith is believing stuff without evidence, and there's an overwhelming amount of evidence for evolution.

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Like I have said before you are looking at this with the western culture in mind. this is Midle Eastern culture.

yes, i'm looking at it from the perspective of someone who views women as human beings, you're talking about a culture that doesn't. spare me your moral relativism, i'm right and the barbarians who wrote your holy book were wrong. modern secular western culture is better than the barbarism of the middle east a few thousand years ago. and please don't humiliate yourself by asking why, have more self-respect than that.

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God does not aprove of divorce yet he alowed it and gave ruels to govern it. God does not aprove of rape but He puts ruels in place for that too.

I don't approve of rape, which is why I suggested a different rule: the offender is put in prison for a long time, and counselling made available to the victim. by contrast, the bible's rules punish the victim and come pretty close to rewarding the offender? rules which take a traumatized victim of a violent sexual assault and make it so much worse for her by destroying her future, forcing her to marry her attacker. if you think a god came up with that, what a complete retard he is. he has no idea, NO IDEA of right and wrong. any person on the street could come up with a better law on rape than the idiot who wrote deuteronomy.

i don't think that came from a god, i think it was written and conceived by men, and since it clearly favours men my position seems a bit safer. there's no mystery. it was a barbaric culture and these barbarians wanted to make it easier to behave the way they liked, treating women as their property... so yeah, make laws they liked and say a god said so. of course.

as for "god does not approve of rape", that's not a safe assertion at all. even if we didn't have this rule on rape which punishes the victim and in a sense rewards the offender, perhaps you also wanna look at deuteronomy 20:10, samuel 12:11-14, deuteronomy 21:10-14, zechariah 14:1-2, numbers 31:7-18, judges 21:10-24... some of these are very enthusiastically in favour of rape.

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You keep gripeing about "I don't think its fair" or "that's not right" WHY is it right or wrong? what is your basis for saying this? And it beter not be, because laws or society says so. because in 1939 Nazi German society said it was fine to murder 3 million people, 1831 the American government said it was fine to take thousands of acers of Indian land and relocate the polulation, in 1949 China's society thought it was fair to take everyone's wealth, rich or poor and "redistribute" it.

again, it's really funny that you think i'm the one with the explaining to do. maybe you should ask why this god of yours punishes rape victims.

as for the ridiculous examples you degraded yourself by citing, that's easy. ask a European Jew if it was right to murder them for being the wrong religion. do you want to be murdered for being the wrong religion? no? then that's easy. don't murder someone else for being the wrong religion. hooray, we've learned that murdering people for not being the right religion is morally wrong, but it's very alarming that you didn't seem to know that already. if you are raped, do you want to be further punished by being forced to marry your attacker? do you mind the idea of your future being destroyed so you can be the plaything of a violent sex offender? if not, why not?

what a stupid question. no, worse than stupid... insulting. what a shining example of the damage religion can do to a person's mind.


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