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Re: Questions I would like to pose to athiests [message #445982 is a reply to message #445981] Wed, 20 April 2011 06:42 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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shippo wrote on Wed, 20 April 2011 05:25

We believe that God has always exsisted. He created the world and univers. Like The Theory of Evolution, we have no scientific(impearial) evidence of how the world/univers began, but it is what we believe, just like your belief.

oh dear. i thought we'd already cleared up the fact that evolution doesn't attempt to explain the origin of the "world and universe". evolution is a theory and a fact that explains a biological process whereby living things develop over time (very very long periods of time, of course), and there's actually quite a lot of evidence for it. the fossil record, the record of molecular biology, the genome project... the fact it's been physically observed, the fact that like a good theory it makes predictions which have borne out, etc.

please free yourself of the "just like your belief" idea. a few posts ago you said that you thought everything in the bible was 100% true, and later you said this was because nobody had found anything to suggest otherwise. this is nothing at all like the way scientists approach darwin's theory.

but i'm glad to hear you say you have no evidence for creationism. most creationists aren't that honest.

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yeah, "biblical scholar" is a phrase you'll hear whenever someone tries to get around the fact that something the bible says is either obviously wrong or morally appalling. another is "theology".

what a biblical scholar or a theologian will never tell you is "yeah, that's wrong, i dunno why he wrote that"


Would it help you if I just removed the biblical scholar part? I always thought a biblical scholar was a person who studied the Bible and it's authenticity.

if someone studied the bible and its authenticity and came up with conclusions unflattering to christianity and/or judaism, would you consider him/her to be a biblical scholar?

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Firstly, what makes you think this only instructs those people at that time and place?


This is found in Leviticus wich is made up of laws and rules to govern the Isrealite's society.

deutoronomy actually, though that's a forgivable error. those two books are pretty similar in terms of barbarism.

well, if you think these laws - sick, disgusting, unjust laws that strip human beings of their dignity - only apply to one particular group of people, do you think the same about the rest of the old testament? the ten commandments, for example? and you said earlier that you didn't know much about the culture at the time. well, the laws are coming from god, aren't they? if it's as brutal and unjust a society as it sounds, you have your god to thank for it; his laws reinforce the appalling state of affairs.

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If you don't mind me asking what (in your opinnion) makes moral values right?

you're still talking about the law that says a rape victim must marry her attacker, are you? someone has to explain to you what's wrong with that?


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