| Re: Intelligent design vs Evolution [message #444709 is a reply to message #444707] |
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Starbuzzz
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The fossil record isn't complete. It is always wrongly assumed (by creationists) that the fossil record we have now is the ultimate complete chain showcasing all life; it isn't. We are missing out on thousands (in the 6 digits most probably) of species that missed being in the fossil record because fossils don't form all the time; only in the best circumstances and only if the lifeform being preserved is suited for being fossilized. For example; a turtle has a much better chance of being fossilized upon death than a butterfly due to the strong structure of the turtle's body.
And so with such a broken fossil record, we are extremely fortunate to have even "some" transitionary creatures; there are actually quiet a wealth of transitionary lifeforms. The ratio isn't reversed to the extreme, it is perfectly even given the circumstances.
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| Re: Intelligent design vs Evolution [message #444710 is a reply to message #444708] |
Tue, 08 March 2011 08:21 |
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| Dover wrote on Tue, 08 March 2011 08:17 |
I've yet to hear a plausible alternative. If species don't evolve from other species, that would mean every species that exists now has always existed for Earth's history. Can you imagine puppy dogs dodging volcanic rock in the time of the primordial soup? I wonder how sheep and cows survived being hunted by dinosaurs? Sounds more than a little silly.
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Children play and dinosaurs roam near Eden's Rivers.
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I hope the dinosaurs weren't carnivorous.
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| Re: Intelligent design vs Evolution [message #444723 is a reply to message #444714] |
Tue, 08 March 2011 15:20 |
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| Altzan wrote on Tue, 08 March 2011 08:40 |
Funny, my church was planning to take a trip there.
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This teaches me quite a bit about your church. Remind me of this whenever I consider taking anything you say seriously.
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| Re: Intelligent design vs Evolution [message #444730 is a reply to message #444723] |
Tue, 08 March 2011 18:32 |
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| Dover wrote on Tue, 08 March 2011 15:20 |
| Altzan wrote on Tue, 08 March 2011 08:40 |
Funny, my church was planning to take a trip there.
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This teaches me quite a bit about your church. Remind me of this whenever I consider taking anything you say seriously.
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What, that we believe in Creation?
Is that a surprise?
I cannot imagine how the clockwork of the universe can exist without a clockmaker. ~Voltaire
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| Re: Intelligent design vs Evolution [message #444742 is a reply to message #444730] |
Tue, 08 March 2011 21:27 |
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| Altzan wrote on Tue, 08 March 2011 17:32 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 08 March 2011 15:20 |
| Altzan wrote on Tue, 08 March 2011 08:40 |
Funny, my church was planning to take a trip there.
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This teaches me quite a bit about your church. Remind me of this whenever I consider taking anything you say seriously.
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What, that we believe in Creation?
Is that a surprise?
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That whatever beliefs you may hold don't necessarily coincide with the laws of reality and common sense at all. I guess that really isn't much of a surprise either, though.
| DarkDemin wrote on Thu, 03 August 2006 19:19 |
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| Re: Intelligent design vs Evolution [message #444744 is a reply to message #444742] |
Tue, 08 March 2011 21:52 |
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| Dover wrote on Tue, 08 March 2011 21:27 |
That whatever beliefs you may hold don't necessarily coincide with the laws of reality and common sense at all. I guess that really isn't much of a surprise either, though.
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Oh, so you're assuming we believe everything the museum does simply because we were looking into visiting it.
No surprises there, again.
I cannot imagine how the clockwork of the universe can exist without a clockmaker. ~Voltaire
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| Re: Intelligent design vs Evolution [message #444746 is a reply to message #444744] |
Tue, 08 March 2011 22:12 |
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| Altzan wrote on Tue, 08 March 2011 20:52 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 08 March 2011 21:27 |
That whatever beliefs you may hold don't necessarily coincide with the laws of reality and common sense at all. I guess that really isn't much of a surprise either, though.
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Oh, so you're assuming we believe everything the museum does simply because we were looking into visiting it.
No surprises there, again.
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The very fact that you consider it a museum speaks volumes. The term "museum" implies a center of culture and learning, both of which are incompatible with childish daydreams like little Eden kids riding dinosaurs.
| DarkDemin wrote on Thu, 03 August 2006 19:19 |
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| Re: Intelligent design vs Evolution [message #444747 is a reply to message #444746] |
Tue, 08 March 2011 22:13 |
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| Dover wrote on Tue, 08 March 2011 22:12 |
| Altzan wrote on Tue, 08 March 2011 20:52 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 08 March 2011 21:27 |
That whatever beliefs you may hold don't necessarily coincide with the laws of reality and common sense at all. I guess that really isn't much of a surprise either, though.
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Oh, so you're assuming we believe everything the museum does simply because we were looking into visiting it.
No surprises there, again.
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The very fact that you consider it a museum speaks volumes. The term "museum" implies a center of culture and learning, both of which are incompatible with childish daydreams like little Eden kids riding dinosaurs.
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Nah. We call it a museum because they call it a museum.
I cannot imagine how the clockwork of the universe can exist without a clockmaker. ~Voltaire
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