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Re: This place is dead [message #444111 is a reply to message #443942] Mon, 21 February 2011 05:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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middle-aged man cruising for gay kids...I hope his facebook friends know

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Re: This place is dead [message #444112 is a reply to message #443942] Mon, 21 February 2011 06:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: This place is dead [message #444116 is a reply to message #443942] Mon, 21 February 2011 10:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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UDK? You should check out Renegade-x as they're attempting to recreate renegade on UDK... and they doing a pretty good job at it.
Re: This place is dead [message #444122 is a reply to message #444116] Mon, 21 February 2011 11:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Taz wrote on Mon, 21 February 2011 12:45

UDK? You should check out Renegade-x as they're attempting to recreate renegade on UDK... and they doing a pretty good job at it.


Be nice if ACK would join up with RenX and convert some of his old Renegade maps over to UDK. In Love


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Re: This place is dead [message #444126 is a reply to message #444102] Mon, 21 February 2011 12:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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liquidv2 wrote on Mon, 21 February 2011 00:26

his video was so inspirational that we made a spoof of it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXEKgtnQMTw

I remember watching this video a while ago. I never realized it was a spoof of anything that C4smoke did.

It is now suddenly funny. Very Happy
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Re: This place is dead [message #444138 is a reply to message #443942] Mon, 21 February 2011 16:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I don't like the direction Ren-X is taking. If I were to work on something like that, it would have to take the original design aesthetics of the first Command & Conquer; right now they're designing Renegade again. I've already played it - I'm not terribly interested in playing it again on a new engine. If I could get that "world at war" feel from C&C95 again, I would totally go for it.
Re: This place is dead [message #444141 is a reply to message #444138] Mon, 21 February 2011 16:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: This place is dead [message #444142 is a reply to message #444138] Mon, 21 February 2011 16:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Aircraftkiller wrote on Mon, 21 February 2011 18:04

I don't like the direction Ren-X is taking. If I were to work on something like that, it would have to take the original design aesthetics of the first Command & Conquer; right now they're designing Renegade again. I've already played it - I'm not terribly interested in playing it again on a new engine. If I could get that "world at war" feel from C&C95 again, I would totally go for it.

They are actually doing that. In fact they have said a number of times that they aren't trying to carbon copy Renegade. Especially design wise.

However it's their first goal to make Renegade on a modern engine and then expand from there. In order to do that, they can't stray too far from what Renegade is designed as. For example, they can't make the artillery have arching shells or anything like that.

There are some changes being made however. One notable one is with the air transports. In Renegade they were just a flying target. In Renegade X, passengers can control side mounted guns to help defend it from harm.
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Re: This place is dead [message #444152 is a reply to message #443942] Mon, 21 February 2011 20:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yeah... That's the issue. It's still Renegade, even if there are some minor differences and a graphics overhaul. It would play functionally the same. They're not really taking any risks. They're doing good work, but it's just not something I feel passionate about helping. I'd get bored pretty fast.

If they ever change their minds and go for a C&C95 design style, I would jump on it in a heartbeat.
Re: This place is dead [message #444154 is a reply to message #443942] Mon, 21 February 2011 21:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi ack how many dresses do u own now lol
Re: This place is dead [message #444162 is a reply to message #443942] Tue, 22 February 2011 00:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The current Unreal Tournament 3 version of Renegade X is pretty much a direct remake on UE3 with a few small gameplay changes (MRLS have rotatable turrets, rifles on both teams damage the same, custom point system, etc.) There`s a graphic overhaul, a physics engine, better support for custom maps and mutators, and new features here and there, but overall, it is Renegade.

But the UDK version of the game will be a lot less of a remake and more of an expansion. There is a lot that we have said, and a lot that we have yet to say, which will come to fruition in time. It won`t be a Tiberian Dawn FPS, even though that is something I`d like to see one day, but the UDK version will depart from C&C Renegade in a number of ways that we hope to speak more about later.


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Re: This place is dead [message #444166 is a reply to message #443942] Tue, 22 February 2011 03:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Pretty sure he means the grittier based-on-reality look of C&C (vehicles mostly based on existing stuff, destroyed towns in the landscape, etc.) instead of the sci-fi cartoonish look of Renegade.

At least that's where he was going with Renalert...do you still have any kind of connection to them? Lord knows why they haven't moved to UDK a long time ago, but then again they're now lead by a pedophile.


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Re: This place is dead [message #444167 is a reply to message #444166] Tue, 22 February 2011 04:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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JohnDoe wrote on Tue, 22 February 2011 05:32

led by a pedophile.


What?



Re: This place is dead [message #444171 is a reply to message #443942] Tue, 22 February 2011 08:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm just not impressed by Renegade-looking stuff anymore.. Even if it's in UDK. It doesn't feel like war. John was right (Not so sure on the "pedophile" part) in the sense that C&C95 had a much grittier atmosphere, and it felt like you were taking part in a large scale war instead of some B-level poor man's sci-fi. Renegade's mistake was deviating from the original game to the point where it was barely recognizable. You guys took crappy models and made them look quite a bit better, but they're still based on the same crappy looking game. The whole thing about polishing a turd still applies.

It's not really the work you're doing - for the goals you've set I think you've done a pretty good job. On that note, I had started building the C&C95 structures a few years ago and might get back into finishing all of them just to see what they'd look like in UDK. I imagine they'd translate very well, considering the original building designs were pretty innovative and had "atmosphere" to them.
Re: This place is dead [message #444172 is a reply to message #443942] Tue, 22 February 2011 09:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That'd kick ass- I'd love to see a more direct translation of C&C95 to 3D.

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Re: This place is dead [message #444177 is a reply to message #444172] Tue, 22 February 2011 11:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Aircraftkiller wrote on Tue, 22 February 2011 08:33

Renegade's mistake was deviating from the original game to the point where it was barely recognizable.


Exactly this. Too many things were changed and it's practically a different game (minus FPS elements naturally).

GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Tue, 22 February 2011 09:01

That'd kick ass- I'd love to see a more direct translation of C&C95 to 3D.


Same.


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Re: This place is dead [message #444180 is a reply to message #444167] Tue, 22 February 2011 12:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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reborn wrote on Tue, 22 February 2011 04:32

JohnDoe wrote on Tue, 22 February 2011 05:32

led by a pedophile.


What?



LOL.

But true sadly.
Re: This place is dead [message #444183 is a reply to message #443942] Tue, 22 February 2011 15:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If Renegade X would adopt some features of Beta Renegade, it would look better.

Beta Renegade was a LOT different, in a better way. Orcas had a realistic opening hatch. Most Units were modeled after FMVs in TD. Havoc was a gritty commando, named Logan, who is seen in the tutorial. Many aspects were different, such as grenadiers and flamers and Chemmers exploding on death. I mean the whole game was more realistic. And EA killed it.
Re: This place is dead [message #444209 is a reply to message #443942] Wed, 23 February 2011 10:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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pretty sure westwood being bad at making games killed westwood and renegade...we're talking about a company that made 2 good games and lots of mediocre ones which lived off ridiculous hype (dune 2, while revolutionary, is a bad game, same with warcraft)

cnc95 is the only c&c game that's easy to turn into an fps while keeping things simple. common modern day technology with a few lasers, ion cannons and cloaking devices. there's nothing really tricky to it, the bits and pieces are already in most successful fps.


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Re: This place is dead [message #444211 is a reply to message #444209] Wed, 23 February 2011 11:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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JohnDoe wrote on Wed, 23 February 2011 10:23

pretty sure westwood being bad at making games killed westwood and renegade...we're talking about a company that made 2 good games

Which ones are good?


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Re: This place is dead [message #444212 is a reply to message #443942] Wed, 23 February 2011 11:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I loved Dune II. I still play it occasionally. I wouldn't say most of their games were bad - I'd say that their non-RTS games were generally bad, or at least didn't gain any kind of popular following. And don't say Renegade. This isn't a popular following - it's a cult. Wink

I'm not sure when I'd get time to start working on those buildings. I'm already doing another UDK project, a warehouse with freight train access. Modeling a freight engine is pretty interesting... But to the point, this is sort of the style I was going for when I first started doing the buildings:

http://aircraftkiller.deviantart.com/art/EVA-Access-GDI-Power-Plant-49918627

It's almost identical to the original design: http://www.cncnz.com/games/cnc/gallery/bld2.php

Granted, some of those buildings are pretty horrible looking. I personally believe that it's possible to update the look of them without making them look like a total departure from the design aesthetics.
Re: This place is dead [message #444233 is a reply to message #443942] Wed, 23 February 2011 22:30 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Tbh, Westwood was doing terrible just around the time they were dissolved.

If I was in EA's shoes at the time, I would have axed Westwood as well. They were on a roll with creating games that were monumental failures including one MMO that had an extremely high development cost that utterly failed to catch on.

Watch this video series on the fall of Westwood and the handling of C&C:

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDjdkpV3Cyw&list=SL

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63RlFXpPG_4&list=SL

Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naGvOxV_FM0&list=SL

Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9XCIV3WtO8&list=SL

Part 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFNfdvZwDtY&list=SL
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